New fancy place put in new sidewalks this summer and they do not want any salt on the new concrete. What can I put on the new concrete that will not damage the new concrete?
Torpedo sand is guaranteed not to cause any conflicts.kbros;909958 said:New fancy place put in new sidewalks this summer and they do not want any salt on the new concrete. What can I put on the new concrete that will not damage the new concrete?
Is everyone from Kentucky against salt and concrete?beverlylawncare;910797 said:I never recommend salt for ANY concrete surface, regardless of age. Most melters (including blends and calcium based) recommend cured concrete of at least 1 year.
I didn't check the link, but thats just my $.02
I think so....I don't understand their thought process.cretebaby;910891 said:Is everyone from Kentucky against salt and concrete?
I just had a LONG talk with a expert on concrete yesterday..I getting TIRED of reading posts from people that dont have a clue...SALT does NOT hurt concrete...There are many reason concrete cracks, spalls, pops,etc...Poor mix design, Poor installation,Etc are a few reasons concrete fails...NOT SALT or any other ice melter...Proper mixing and installation go a long way to a nice concrete job. Also a soon as you can walk on the slab you should put a cure and seal on it..It will help protect the concrete for a long life..just my 4 cents....:waving:beverlylawncare;910797 said:I never recommend salt for ANY concrete surface, regardless of age. Most melters (including blends and calcium based) recommend cured concrete of at least 1 year.
I didn't check the link, but thats just my $.02
Just because you're an expert in concrete and have certifications and stuff does not mean you get .04 cents and we only get .02 cents.Matson Snow;910955 said:I just had a LONG talk with a expert on concrete yesterday..I getting TIRED of reading posts from people that dont have a clue...SALT does NOT hurt concrete...There are many reason concrete cracks, spalls, pops,etc...Poor mix design, Poor installation,Etc are a few reasons concrete fails...NOT SALT or any other ice melter...Proper mixing and installation go a long way to a nice concrete job. Also a soon as you can walk on the slab you should put a cure and seal on it..It will help protect the concrete for a long life..just my 4 cents....:waving:
Dude, this goes against everything i have ever been told. And every drive way i see pitted to hell from salt use. Or the driveway that looks fine everywhere but where the car drips salty water and it's pitted to hell all around the car.Matson Snow;910955 said:SALT does NOT hurt concrete...g:
Winter + concrete expert + long talk = You must have been in the bar!!!!!!!!!!!!Matson Snow;910955 said:I just had a LONG talk with a expert on concrete yesterday..I getting TIRED of reading posts from people that dont have a clue...SALT does NOT hurt concrete...There are many reason concrete cracks, spalls, pops,etc...Poor mix design, Poor installation,Etc are a few reasons concrete fails...NOT SALT or any other ice melter...Proper mixing and installation go a long way to a nice concrete job. Also a soon as you can walk on the slab you should put a cure and seal on it..It will help protect the concrete for a long life..just my 4 cents....:waving:
Good one!jomama45;910991 said:Winter + concrete expert + long talk = You must have been in the bar!!!!!!!!!!!!![]()
I'm sure they make a jumbo size.............Dissociative;910990 said:not to mention my father i law ripping his depends open when he saw me salt his cement.![]()
Explain to me how salt hurts concrete Please...You have seen some jack-up drive ways from Poor concrete or a Poor install.....If the concrete is low on air the concrete will pop..If the concrete is Over finished it will spall...Explain how the DOTs get away with salting highways and roads....The road in front of my house is 23 years old. Its concrete and has been salted for 23 years..Looks Great....So if salt is sooo bad for concrete WHY is this road still around....Properly Cured and Finished concrete will not be hurt by salt...Dissociative;910990 said:Dude, this goes against everything i have ever been told. And every drive way i see pitted to hell from salt use. Or the driveway that looks fine everywhere but where the car drips salty water and it's pitted to hell all around the car.
i'm not saying i know for sure....but i have seen some jacked up driveways from using rock salt all over them.
not to mention my father i law ripping his depends open when he saw me salt his cement.![]()
fixed it for yaMatson Snow;911047 said:Explain to me how salt hurts concrete Please...You have seen some jack-up drive ways from Poor concrete or a Poor install.....If the concrete is low on air the concrete will pop..If the concrete is Over finished it will spall...Explain how the DOTs get away with salting highways and roads....The road in front of my house is 23 years old. Its concrete and has been salted for 23 years..Looks Great....So if salt is sooo bad for concrete WHY is this road still around....Properly Batched, Cured, and Finished concrete will not be hurt by salt...
Crete - Not everyone. Just those of us who have taken over contracts where Parking Blocks in asphalt lots have nearly completely deteriorated from years of heavy salting. YET the asphalt remains virtually unscathed.cretebaby;910891 said:Is everyone from Kentucky against salt and concrete?
Yes please so we can explain the exact science AGAIN of it even though I already gave the "for dummies version" a couple posts up and there are sooo many threads already out there on this topic.beverlylawncare;911191 said:Crete - Not everyone. Just those of us who have taken over contracts where Parking Blocks in asphalt lots have nearly completely deteriorated from years of heavy salting. YET the asphalt remains virtually unscathed.
Where sidewalks have large pitting areas ONLY at the bottom of formed handicapped ramps (ie where salt may get slung) yet the remainder of said walks, even aggregate is unharmed using blends or calcium.
Want pics? I got plenty of examples I could share....
Just finished reading a research paper from the Portland Cement Association..cement.org....They say that Magnesium and Calcium Chloride are MORE aggressive towards paved surfaces than Sodium Chloride which is almost benign...Take it for what its worth..Just my 6 cents worth...:salute:show-n-go;911142 said:I have always been told not to use salt on concrete. All of the company's that i have worked for in this area have said the same thing, they all use calcium. lol
I'm not an expert in anything so i'll take you guy's word for it.