Um, how would that work if you are paying multiple guys $20 per hour, but you charge a flat rate of $30 per push. You are going to be paying the apartment complex a lot of money to move their snow.

 

I was thinking the same thing, or I read it wrong. Your going to plow and shovel that for $30.00?

 

$30 × 25 buildings in 4hrs.

 

So how many guys will be shoveling?

 

You're not going to be doing 7.5 buildings an hour with one truck, and you're certainly not going to be push spreading salt four 30 buildings in four hours.

 

It would be a crew of 3-4 guys, less than half need salt, yes $30 per building, over 2in of snow, basically Its easyier to bid a flat rate vs, per property so if one apartment has a lot more sidewalk than one the extra $$ from a small apartment

 

It would be a crew of 3-4 guys, less than half need salt, yes $30 per building, over 2in of snow, basically Its easyier to bid a flat rate vs, per property so if one apartment has a lot more sidewalk than one the extra $$ from a small

You should be earning at least $50 per man hour and additional $100 per truck hour.

So assuming your time estimates are right, and I doubt they are, you should be charging at least $60 per push. And that's barely breaking even

 

Covers the extra time it takes

 

I don’t touch anything for less than $85 even if it only takes 1 minute. That’s my minimum. Doesn’t mean it should be your minimum. But I think that’s a whole lot of liability, 25 separate sites = 25 separate properties that could sue you, for $750 per push. We are lacking a lot of information but taking it at face value you would be undercutting yourself big time. If it were me I would be at $85 for the plow, $45 per shoveler, plus bagged salt minimum of $10. So that puts me at $140 per push per property. That’s assuming one shoveler can do it in 1 hour.

 

I don't touch anything for less than $85

Still cheaper than an escort!

 

Appreciate the response this is the first year my company will be doing snow removal so I’m just trying to figure out how long It takes but its hard tell when we haven’t shoveled yet to see how long a house takes etc, At first i thought $750 was great but i now realize thats horrible. I don’t wanna over bid because it would be essential for me to get good references and it would be a good connection that I could do every season

 

Appreciate the response this is the first year my company will be doing snow removal so I'm just trying to figure out how long It takes but its hard tell when we haven't shoveled yet to see how long a house takes etc, At first i thought $750 was great but i now realize thats horrible. I don't wanna over bid because it would be essential for me to get good references and it would be a good connection that I could do every season

You should go sub for someone who needs drivers and sidewalk crews
Learn the ins and outs of snow and ice management

 

It would help if you put your location, average snow falls, etc. Unless I missed it.

 

Have a plan of where to put or remove the snow ?? Clear the swinging gates, patio's = A lot of work = $$

 

I hate the new format, what state are you in?
What is your average snow fall every season?

If you paying a guy $20 an hour to shovel then you should be charging the client $30 to $40

4 guys $20 an hour for 4 hours will cost you $320.00

How long to plow each property?
Are you plowing it or are you paying someone to plow it?

Also don't forget you will need GL insurance, W.C. insurance since your using employees and supplying the equipment.

If you are trusting the owner to put down product you better put that in your contract that they are doing that and as such you will assume no liablity for any slip and falls.
You will still get sued of course but your lawyer can use that.

 

5k per season per property for those. Up to 60”. Call backs = 95 per hour. After 60”. 65 per inch per property

 

If you're paying your help $20 an hour and charging the client $30 an hour for them, you're losing money.

 

I don't think a lot of the guys starting out have any idea of what the operating cost are to do jobs like this.

 

You’re right it’s very difficult but luckily you guys are here helping me out, so at least I can figure it out and not make a fool of myself, undercut the industry, Im in Colorado it varies a lot I would say 10 to 20 events total, but like last year there was maybe only 8 events

 

You're right it's very difficult but luckily you guys are here helping me out, so at least I can figure it out and not make a fool of myself, undercut the industry, Im in Colorado it varies a lot I would say 10 to 20 events total, but like last year there was maybe only 8 events

You need to look at the NWS historical averages for your area. What happens year to year is not how to bid snow. Use official averages until you get several years of your own data. I record notes for every single snow event we get.

 

I see

 

Big state, snowfalls vary. Where are you.

 

Average snow fall data.
https://www.weather.gov/bou/denverannualsnowfall1882-2014

Shows average of days with fresh snow by month and total accumulation
https://www.weather.gov/bou/denverannualsnowfall1882-2014

 

Denver, after doing some research they say the average Snowfalls are 30 but ive never seen it snow that much in the 6 years ive lived here,

 

@BUFF he's in Denver.

Can you post a sat pic?

 

A sat pic of the area or denver

 

A satellite view of the area you are asking about ????

 

Haha,

 

It would be too difficult to do satellite picture because all the buildings are about a quarter-mile to half mile between each other, Basically they’re all managed by a property management company but Owned by multiple owners

 

They’re all within 2 to 3 mile service area

 

They're all within 2 to 3 mile service area

Do a satellite pic of ONE of the buildings.

 

Kind of off-topic but also wondering what is going to be the best commercial spreader my budget is $300-$500, im thinking lesco, hotshot, snow ex

 

Get a v box go sub for someone else

 

Good news I got the bid I bid $50 per property which would cover all the labor and Materials and still make good money

 

Let's us know how you did at the end of the season because 25 building in 4 hours is about 6 minutes a building and your going to find it takes a lot longer than that doing it by hand.

Hope you also figured in insurance, taxes, W.C., etc...

 

Yes it’s going to be $50 per property trigger point is 2 inches and we only need to go out once every Storm also if snow reaches over 6 inches price doubles

 

Yes it's going to be $50 per property trigger point is 2 inches and we only need to go out once every Storm also if snow reaches over 6 inches price doubles

Good luck.

I think you're in for a tough lesson this season.

 

You're going to plow and salt 25 properties in four hours with a 10" storm.

:laughing:

 

I think you're in for an expensive lesson.