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who uses liquid? show pics please

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by andrewlawnrangr, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. andrewlawnrangr

    andrewlawnrangr Senior Member
    Messages: 339

    looking for pics of liquid ice control units and descriptions please...
  2. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,249

    I'll get some tomorrow. They're on my other computer. In the meantime, do a search for Kubota RTV and you'll see our sidewalk rig.
  3. BSDeality

    BSDeality Senior Member
    Messages: 736

    I'm in the middle of building mine. I finally settled on a design and ordered all the parts needed to complete it today. here's a pic from my trials with some tips I had laying around. This was just a fool-around test with water. I'll post some more after I get it buttoned up. In this picture the boom is 24" off the ground, however in my final version it will be 15".

    I decided to go with 4 - 1/2" solenoids to control 4 sections of the boom for pre-treating. The two center sections are 110* tips, .8GPM. The wings are off-center tips, 1.6GPM each. The wings will spray ~7' each from a height of 13", each of the center sections will spray 39". The greatest part of this bar is the small width, I do not have to get out of the truck to fold up large wings since its only 80" wide.

    This will give me the option to spray 3'3", 6'6", 7', 10'3", 13'6" or 20'6" Since I have a small tank (60 gallon) I need to squeeze every ounce out of it with minimal over-application. I might consider a simpler (less flexibility) route if I had a 250-350 gallon tank on my bigger truck.

    I made my spray bar out of Stainless steel, and it will also be a "wet-bar"(meaning the fluid will flow in it) for anti-icing where you need concentrated streams. I will have to play around with some PVC and find out the best hole size, but I will drill holes along the pipe and then turn on a different solenoid if I wish to use that one. I should have my parts by the middle of next week and will get it assembled and calibrated then.
  4. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,249

    The first is our truck mounted sprayer. This is when it was in my 2500, it is now on a 3500. Made by Monroe Truck Equipment, it's called an All Season Sprayer. 325 gallons, I think the pump is 105 GPM but I can't remember because we started with an electric pump and switched after the first year. 3 boom system, we can spray fairly good 16' wide, pencil tip nozzles and a 50' hose reel. The boom fits in a trailer hitch receiver, so we can remove and tow a trailer very easily.

    The second is the Kubota I referenced. 100 gallon tank, 40 GPM pump, 2 Rain Drop nozzles and a 50' hose reel. Made by MS SPrayer in Quebec. Perfect for sidewalks.

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  5. BSDeality

    BSDeality Senior Member
    Messages: 736

    Mark, what speeds do you spray at with each machine? application rate? can you turn off sections of the boom?

    I'm limited to a 1st gear crawl (3.5mph) in the Toyota, Spraying 1gal/1250sq ft of Magic -0. If and when I build another unit for my big truck I will have to step up to a gas motor unless I make my own bigass electric pump.
  6. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,644

    the boom on the truck looks like you have two nozzle choices? can you just rotate the upper nozzle down for a direct stream or am I imagining this:confused:
  7. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,249

    Matt, I have it calibrated at about 15 MPH and it will apply 40 GPLM, roughly. Our controller does not vary the pressure to the boom when there is 1, 2, or all 3 booms on. WE have a manual pressure control in the cab that we use. Varying the RPM's of the engine works much better, but it still isn't exact because we don't have a tach for that engine.

    Grn Mtn, those are the spring loaded check valves that keep it from leaking when off. Sort of. They work pretty good. It would be possible to very easily switch out the nozzles, they are quarter or half turn and they're out.
  8. nsmilligan

    nsmilligan PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 704

    Here's my homemade rig, I don't use a boom but a boomanator nozzle which sprays about 12'


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  9. mcwlandscaping

    mcwlandscaping 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,557

    This is very interesting to me.... what exactly is in the sprayers? is it just dissolved salt or C.C. or other solid ice melt product? and im sure this was already asked in another place but how much of it do you need to apply per sq. ft.?
  10. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,041

    good question on the product there spraying and interested to know also.
  11. BSDeality

    BSDeality Senior Member
    Messages: 736

    I'm running Magic -0 in mine. I put up some pictures last year. Search under my name and in the Ice Mgmt section you should be able to find them.
  12. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,249

    Caliber M1000 in the truck. IT's a mag chloride\corn steep\corn silk by product.

    The Kubota sidewalk unit uses NC3000. Non-chloride product.

    Approx 40 GPLM
  13. dr.lawn21

    dr.lawn21 Senior Member
    Messages: 225

    Mag Chloride in 300 gal tank plus sander. Works great!!

  14. J J Landscaping

    J J Landscaping Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    J J Landscaping

    Mar Oomkes - I do have a quesion. The nozzels on the top of your boom at the ends. Are they a pencil tip or a spray tip? The 16 foot wide path would be perfict for my small lots and large lots and with them shut off would be good for the drive i have with the bad hills. It would be better if mine was set-up like yours instead of 2 fold out 4 ft booms. Do you think or any of you guys in this thead that one 5 gpm pump for the 4 or 5 head back boom and one 5 gpm pump for the side nozzels or 4 foot boom would work good and make at least 10 - 15 mph? - Jimmy
  15. J J Landscaping

    J J Landscaping Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    J J Landscaping

    Matt - How did your tank unit work out for you last nite? Nice to get to go plowing for the first time the winter. Jimmy
  16. BSDeality

    BSDeality Senior Member
    Messages: 736

    JJ, I actually pre-treated the day before when we were supposed to pick up 2" and got nothing. I was even out of town for the snow on friday (oops, oh well). The setup worked great. I had one problem with a sticky solenoid at first, but after adjusting it with a hammer it was fine. I do have to raise the bar up a little as I was making bands, instead of an even spray. All in all it went great.

    Here are some pictures as of friday.
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bsdeality/380757872/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/380757872_3a5fafc6f2.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Feb-05 001" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bsdeality/380757876/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/380757876_5b8fc1f81f.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Feb-05 002" /></a>
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2007
  17. J J Landscaping

    J J Landscaping Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    J J Landscaping

    Matt - nothing better than a good ford tool to keep things ajusted. You made a new bar accross the back. thats a good one it will never move. There is something that no one has said in any threads i have read. About the snow and slush coming off the back of there trucks and tires getting on the spray heads freezing and making them not spray. Its something i realized because pick-ups seems to get the backs all a big mesh. JJ
  18. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,249

    That's because I haven't had a problem with this. The liquid has a tendency to melt the snow and slush as it's supposed to.

    DAFFMOBILEWASH PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,602

    Any one have pictures of pre-wet systems? Got mine wired to the electric clutch of salter but keep having trouble with the pumps. Right now I have a 4.0GPM electric diaphram pump hooked up but the moters keep heating up and stop working. Let them sit for 20 min and they come back to life.
  20. BSDeality

    BSDeality Senior Member
    Messages: 736

    what kind of pump are you using? are you just tapping into the wire from the clutch? you might have better results with a relay and running a seperate power wire.