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Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by DJ Contracting, Jan 20, 2008.

  1. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    Well i just found out by how much i was under bid on a local Pizza Hut parking lot. My cost was $65.00 for 1-3 $80.00 for 4-6 $110.00 6-12 and salt was extra, are you ready for this the guy that plows the lot now is charging $15.00 each time AND THATS NOT A MIS PRINT now it's one of the assistant managers father but thats still ridiculous, see what i have to deal with. I HATE LOWBALLERS. I found this out by talking to an employee that works there and is a friend of ours.

    WALKERS PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,138

    WOW Maybe he gets a free pizza and beer. Had that done to me. I feel your pain.:gunsfiring:
  3. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    I am still having a hard time believing it :gunsfiring: $15.00 UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  4. LawnProLandscapes

    LawnProLandscapes PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129

    i wonder how reliable and how good 15 dollars worth of service will be :sleeping: yea we got some jamokes around here that pull the same bs then go outta business, or they get in trouble for not being properly insured, some people...
  5. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    The best part is he didn't even make enough to by one of their pizzas !
  6. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    I'll let you guys post here for awhile seeing how my wife wants her laptop back. I HATE LOWBALLERS did i say that already.
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2008
  7. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Then tell her she has to post a picture of herself first!
  8. kcplowmata

    kcplowmata Senior Member
    from kc
    Messages: 174

    You will always find that you get under bid by either a person they know or an employee. I had a customer call the other day and said his employee got a plow. I was like cool so have him do it then. He asked if id be willing to plow if he had to work. I said either all or none and this time i won. Not always the case though. So id just chalk it up as just biz and nothing personal. Plenty of work for us hustlers
  9. LawnProLandscapes

    LawnProLandscapes PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129

    lol i wouldnt fret over it too much,,, chances are if he's plowing for that little he doesnt have the knowledge or skill you have and probaly not the quality of equipment either, he probaly doesnt have a spreader either for the salt.
  10. mnormington

    mnormington Senior Member
    Messages: 156

    Was this your only account or something? I wouldn't get all upset over losing a crappy account like that. They'll probably be looking for a new plow guy sooner than later anyway when $15 guy doesn't show up to do it. Who want to drag their sorry a$$ out for $15?

    Just wait it out. They'll come crawling back.
  11. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    The guy that's doing it is the father of an asst manager. He's just doing it to help out his son. He might do a fine job. Has nothing to do with his expertise or anything else.
  12. exmark1

    exmark1 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,321

    Helping out his father...while seeing as though the expense would go back to the corporation he really isn't helping his son out! He is just making it harder for us to make a living doing this!
  13. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    No i have plenty of work for two trucks and a sidewalk guy. it's not the account it's what he is doing to the market around here.
  14. BREAULT69

    BREAULT69 Member
    Messages: 97

    Is an uninsured contractor ($ is changing hands even if it's only $15.00) really "helping" anyone out ?? When something goes wrong, and we all know it can at anytime I don't think it's gonna look like such a good deal. The last Pizza hut I plowed was never billed under $200.00 a push. The "uninsured" guy doing it now I've heard doing it for $75 a push. Lowballers are everywhere. Can't wait until one tags a new Lincoln in the parking lot. Let's see $3500.00 for a fender and repaint divided by $75 = shoot he's only gotta plow them 47 times to cover it ! Eating all the expenses the whole time. Now that's kinda funny to think about. People that hire uninsured lowballers are probably just not educated on the risk they are assuming. Maybe we should send them a newsletter outlining the need for proper coverage pre-winter. Then if they still hire the $15 dollar guy they're just stupid and will not be in business longterm anyway and we can try to deal with the next owner/manager. A side note here- I'm involved with a company that cleans commercial kitchen hood systems (chemical/hot press. water) in alot of chains like Pizza Hut and they always ask for $1 million liability to be able to do it. But they don't mind a piece of heavy equipment operating on their property with no insurance ? What's up with that ??
  15. mnormington

    mnormington Senior Member
    Messages: 156

    Heavy equipment? WTF?? :D
  16. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    Well at least i just picked up another Dr. office on the 17th of January both plowing and salting (i never turn down gravy work payup ) it's right around the corner from a Adult rehab home that i have and will only take 15 min. to do.
  17. apik1

    apik1 Senior Member
    Messages: 253

    I had a bar / pizza shop that is open from 10 a.m. untill 4 a.m. every day off the week, it was a good size lot, I charged $1000 for the season and that was 2" and up. Ya, so I got dumped for a guy that is now doing it for a $ 25 bar tab every time it snows. :realmad:
  18. Scottscape

    Scottscape Senior Member
    Messages: 662

    I've said it once and I'll say it again. We provide a service, just like your wireless carrier provides and we're not talking about generic prepaid service. We're talking about a reliable network that will provide you with whatever you need but you have to be committed with them on a dotted line and on that dotted line there is fine print stating that you are obligated and mandated to pay a $150-200 termination fee for each line they provide you. there is no and if's or buts. Some walk because they can't commit to it.

    It's the same damn thing when it comes to a service like ours, only our service is needed more. Anyone out there that is providing any snow removal/plowing/icemelt service without a signed name on a dotted line is NOT a real account. period. you have nothing to protect you from a legal aspect or a financial aspect.

    Low ballers are just under bidders, face it they can do it cheaper than you and they are just suplementing there daily job. Don't blame them, blame the dumb ass property manager for being a tight ass and not realizing that you get what you pay for. Lets say they do provide a good service for the time being but when there **** breaks or they hit someone or something. they will be up **** creek without a paddle

    Anyone complaning or asking for advice about lowballers and you don't have an early term. fee, its your own fault. This will seperate your clients from your customers. We're suppose to be improving the industry
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2008
  19. cornbinder

    cornbinder Senior Member
    Messages: 348

    -sounds like this guy needs to go into there needs to be a "moron forum" this guy is helping his son out. sure, is the assistant manager have ownership in the store probably not. is pizza hut gonna pat his back for getting it done so cheap? hell no!! they could care less, helk they are laughing at the dynamic duo as they are writing out a check saying "what a couple of moron's"!! go get another account elsewhere.
  20. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    Thats just it i never had a chance to get them to sign that i submitted to them, (and trust me i have been doing this long enough to know about contracts) i did plow out the store twice and got paid out of the till, then just prior to the third storm i contacted the manager for them to sign the contract and she said that they were still taking bids, anyway the storm came and went and the store went with out plowing till somebody cleaned it up the following night.