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The "Green" Revolution

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by indplstim, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. indplstim

    indplstim Senior Member
    Messages: 195

    Last edited: Dec 29, 2008
  2. murphyslaw

    murphyslaw Senior Member
    Messages: 443

    I have to say, I am partial to plowing and de-icing myself. I would rather see the states and citys spend there winter budget in other ways. teach these people to drive and there would not be a problem. clear off the heavy storms and leave it be.

    Around here it takes so long for the city to plow the main streets most of the snow has been blown away by traffic and there are nice lanes in the snow from vehicles, no need to plow.
  3. Ipushsnow

    Ipushsnow Senior Member
    Messages: 314

    "We decided not to utilize salt because it's not a healthy addition to Puget Sound."

    I know I am a midwesterner and know nothing, but isn't Puget Sound SALT WATER????
  4. murphyslaw

    murphyslaw Senior Member
    Messages: 443

    yes, yes it is.
  5. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    I agree its idiotic but its everythng else that is in the salt that they are worried about
  6. JDiepstra

    JDiepstra PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,780

    I am sick of hearing about green this and green that. The only green I want to hear about from now on is MONEY!
  7. eshskis

    eshskis Senior Member
    from 4
    Messages: 138

    I am sick and tired of these green people
  8. affekonig

    affekonig Senior Member
    Messages: 909

    Where will you hunt and fish if these "green" people didn't keep you from ruining your environment?
  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,250



    You just have to love these enviro-nazis. Can't use salt because it will harm the salt water in the ocean. But we can use sand that will end up in that same water, and the sewers, and the catch basins, and the rivers and the streams and the air, etc, etc.

    And exactly how much more does the mining and cleanup of said sand cost when it's all finished? How much more carbon is spewed into the air by cleaning it all up?

    Not to mention, they 'plow' the streets to SUV's and 4WD's can make it through, but these same whack jobs don't want anyone to own these types of vehicles because of their 'carbon' footprint BS.

    And chains don't damage pavement more than steel scraper edges?

    I thought Kalifornia was the land of fruits and nuts. Liberalism at its finest.
  10. 02DURAMAX

    02DURAMAX PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,229

    That is Not Green!

    but hey atleast you can leave a cop if hes after you...LOL
  11. Snowaway

    Snowaway Senior Member
    Messages: 248

    "A 2005 study focusing on the Northeast, where massive amounts of road salt are applied annually, found that some streams were one-quarter as salty as sea water, and were killing animals and fish. A second study that year found that the use of rock salt to melt street ice had increased a hundredfold nationally since 1940."

    Being a commercial salmon fisherman this is of some concern to me. Lower 48 fish stocks need all the help they can get. (Don't get me wrong I am not a hippy.) I was not able to find this study does anyone know where to get more info on this? On the other hand I don't see how anything could be living anywhere that there is road runoff from Seattle.

    Here in Juneau we dump almost all our plowed up snow into the ocean ( the rest just melts off and runs down they storm drain). The Harbors wanted to dredge out one of the dumping spots to add a new dock or something but they found that the dirt was Haz Mat. That was a while ago and I think they gave up for lack of a place to put it. I think this has more to do with crappy cars leaking out there fluids as they go down the road than anything else. So it is a problem and I am glad that there trying to help, but people in Seattle can't drive for sh..t. I think they need the salt. My 2 cents
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2009
  12. indplstim

    indplstim Senior Member
    Messages: 195

    Bump it up what do you all think??
  13. T-MAN

    T-MAN PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,363

    In 1940 No One spread rock salt on roads around here. They used sand up till the mid seventy's. So that study was probably a Gov. one that is useless, but makes the liberal feel gooders happy.

    The salt use is demanded by the public. No one runs dedicated snow tires here, cept my brother in law. Most people "Have" to go every where when it snows, (even Blizzards) so they need roads plowed/salted 24/7, so they can get home before there starbucks is cold.
    Heck a Mayor of Chicago got the boot for not handling a snow storm. If anyone thinks a Bams loving, jordache wearing fruit loop in his saab is going to tolerate unplowed streets, and wagon trail roads there crazy. People are way to uptight in these parts to handle any inconvenience, that's for damn sure.

    As far as salting the **** out of private parking lots, thats courtesy of the lawyers. IMO its all way over kill, but I cant complain, salting brings in a nice chunk of change.