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The good old news channels screwing the system!

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Grisi24, Oct 29, 2008.

  1. Grisi24

    Grisi24 Senior Member
    Messages: 166

    So I was online reading articles after the first storm of the area here is Central New York and I came upon this story...

    Im sure there will be much discussion on this!

    "Syracuse, New York (WSYR-TV) - It’s only October, but if the first snow is any indication of what winter will be like, it’s time to think about plowing. We did some homework for you, on just what you'll pay to get your place plowed.

    We called dozens of plowing companies and found, on average, you'll pay $14 if you pay per plow. If you lock in for the season, the average rate is $300.

    That's up a bit from last year. Most plowing companies put out their contracts over the summer, when gas prices were way up and although they've gone down, there's no telling whether that will remain the case.

    Mike Nolan owns a plowing business, “We have to guess what the upcoming season's gonna do and you wanna stay in competition with everybody else so you rise it up a fair amount which you can do depending on what you think winter will provide for fuel prices.”

    Nolan says 95% of his customers choose to sign up for seasonal plowing and in the 10 years he's been plowing, the customers made out in eight of those years.

    The reason? Most plowing companies plow, on average, 25 times a season.

    25 plows at the $14 per plow rate costs you $350.

    Compare that with the average seasonal rate, and your saving about $50.

    The rates do vary. Some businesses said they charge as much as $35 for a driveway and $600 for the season. It varies on where you live and how much snow you get.

    A lot of the companies will plow every three inches. That happened 21 times in '03-04, 17 times in '04-05, 12 in '05-06, 17 in '06-'07, and 11 in '07-'08. But those amounts are just at the airport, and as we know all too well, many parts of central New York see three inches or more of snow a lot more often than that.

    Copyright 2008 Newport Television LLC All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed."
    All information from http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=9b539e27-86fe-4752-bb30-ca7594f08c2e
  2. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    That's right around where the seasonal price is in the buffalo are too.
  3. iceyman

    iceyman 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,925

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  4. 06HD BOSS

    06HD BOSS 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,611

    thats nuts. no driveway around here goes for less than $30, with the average being around $40. Seasonal rate here would be based around 12 events, which gives a seasonal rate of $480. if it went to $14 per driveway, they can keep it, ill move to Florida
  5. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    No one plows a drive for $14 here either.
    The neighbor kid may shovel a drive for that tho.
  6. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,041

    There was no talk about the size of the driveways either. So do ALL driveways cost $14
  7. mercer_me

    mercer_me PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,371

    If it's just a small 2 car driveway $14 sound good to me. It's not about making a fortune it's about helping people out.
  8. IMAGE

    IMAGE Sponsor
    Messages: 1,747

    man mercer just shut up seriously I am getting tired of your rediculous posts. I will probally get flagged for this but I dont care. Most of us here are trying to run a business. This website if for people who want to learn and grow thier business.

    Back to the original post...The only way I will do a driveway for $14 is if there are 10 of them side by side and they take under 5 minutes each. I am signing up new drives at $495 for the season ($99/mo) and THAT is a heck of a deal(48" average), there is no way I can go cheaper then that with expenses like 2 employees this winter, workmans comp, trucks(2 plus back up), insurance, and wear and tear. I just cant believe people can work for nothing, man it kills me. I could sit home and go broke, I'm sure not gonna go work for free.
  9. derekbroerse

    derekbroerse 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,377

    I doubt you'll find many kids today that will lace their boots for $14, let alone shovel a driveway.

    Our cheapest driveway is $40, most expensive is $55.
  10. dmontgomery

    dmontgomery PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,238

    if it is just about helping people out then why are YOU charging at all.......$27 is my minimum.......and I do not offer seasonal contracts because few would do that here.......and I do not depend on the resi's for income....

    Good Day......
  11. 042500hd

    042500hd Senior Member
    Messages: 251

    Per push never adds up to the seasonal price in Buffalo. I don't know anyone who charges less than $25 to some guy who flags him down. However we still have a $300 seasonal rate for a 2 car drive maybe 75' long. Most seasonal's are closer to $250. I'm south a Buffalo and we tend to be able to pull a few more dollars than the northtown guys. Largely due to the fact (IMO) that there are a ton of landscapers north of the city. Earlier this season one of them put a lot of effort into advertising driveways for $195 seasonally :dizzy:. Then we have the neighborhood plow guy. The guy who bought a plow he has no need for because he had a truck he has no use for and plows his neighbors for free. Then does per pushes for people he doesn't know for $10 and will sub for $25 an hour. Then brag to his buddies later how he picked a quick $100 working half a Saturday. :gunsfiring:
  12. Sno4U

    Sno4U Senior Member
    Messages: 480

    ...and don't forget it's ALL profit!payup
  13. storm king

    storm king Member
    Messages: 86

    I like IMAGE's post.
  14. DSLL

    DSLL Senior Member
    Messages: 136

    Sad but true. That is how it is in Buffalo, every truck has a plow on it.
  15. sechracer

    sechracer Senior Member
    Messages: 478

    Most around me to per push and its a $30 min average. With no salt.
  16. My bowtie

    My bowtie Senior Member
    Messages: 279

    I wont drop the plow for under $30.00. Try to get some kid to shovel a drive for $14 bucks.
    Most of the kids I know wont get out of bed for that.....
  17. Pennings Garden

    Pennings Garden Senior Member
    from VA
    Messages: 242

    Mercer, seriously, I'm not sure what your story is, and I don't care. For most of us it's something like mine;

    I have a wife, and a daughter. we have business overhead that needs to be paid, we have a mortgage that needs to be paid, we are plowing with two trucks with a combined value of $60k that need to be paid for, we have employees that need to be paid, we have insurance that needs to be paid, we have taxes that need to be paid, we need to eat, and my food needs to be paid, we have a daughter that someday would like to go to college and on top of that someday I would like to own a boat or cabin somewhere. My dreams are not that grand, but they do need to be paid for!!! So don't come around here saying it is not about making a fortune!!! It's about making a living and that is hard enough in todays economy! and trust me at $14.- per drive way per push I can not make a living!:nono:

    For the rest of you; we don't drop the plow for less then $30.- going up to $65 per drive:salute:

    Anyway sorry if I come out of the corner kicking, It just kills me that some people just don't get it!
  18. grnstripes

    grnstripes Senior Member
    Messages: 237

    I agree, but we all have those jerks or low ballers who are killing us all. I just hope that they run themselfs out of business or the piss poor reputaion about the work they do gets around.
  19. derekbroerse

    derekbroerse 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,377

    Couldn't have said it better myself. The key word is reasonable, thats what we need to stay. Most of us aren't here to get RICH and FAMOUS but it would be nice to earn a decent living.
  20. Tommy10plows

    Tommy10plows Senior Member
    Messages: 345

    The reason for Seasonal payment

    There is a reason why plowmen should take seasonal payments.

    It is not to make you the number one plow man in volume in your town, it is not to make your next two truck payments on that diesel dually crew cab your wife told you not to buy, The purpose is to raise sufficient funds in advance so that you can update your equipment, to place all of your equipment in top notch condition for the winter season. If you price yourself fairly and keep in mind that you need at least 5-10 seasonals (depending on the size of your fleet) every year to keep you fresh and ahead of your competition for cutting edges, new hydraulic hoses for your plow, change of all hoses and belts on your truck, trans fluid changes, get some new snow tires and a fresh set of snow chains, freshen your brake shoes, new snow blower, fresh shovels, and things like that.

    Then, after you have a certain amount of seasonals, and you have INVESTED that money you have already received in your equipment, you can start counting the balance of the seasonal money toward your gross profit for the year.