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Synthetic oil

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by gslam88, Mar 30, 2003.

  1. gslam88

    gslam88 Senior Member
    Messages: 168


    Wondering how many of you use some kind of synthetic lubricant, oil, grease, hydralic, etc.. if so what brand and where do you buy it?

  2. Snoworks

    Snoworks Senior Member
    Messages: 466

    I use synthetic on all my trucks! I am happy with the results, so far. My 94 Jimmy had 110,000 miles before I rebuilt the motor, just as a precaution. The motor was very clean from the heads down.

    I am using Mobil One now, due to cheap prices at Costco!

    Chuck B
  3. Joey D

    Joey D Senior Member
    Messages: 280

    I use Mobile synthetic in everything, trans, grease fittings, axles and t-case. I run Delvac one in the motor, 5W40.
    Are you looking to run synthetic in your 6.5?
    Don't extend the drains much dues to the soot. You need a bypass filter to do that.
  4. porkhead1

    porkhead1 Member
    Messages: 70

    I use Royal Purple (someone at work sells it to me for $4.25/qt) & I use 10-micron filter ( K&N or AC UltraGold {they're black instead of blue}).......
    My vehicles start-up nice and easy when the temp is less than 20degF.
  5. Pelican

    Pelican 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,075

    I've used Mobil 1 with excellent results in my old Ford Escort. It had 210,000 miles when I sold it and the motor was clean as a whistle inside. Oil pressure was the same when I sold it as when I bought it new and milage was improved by 2 mpg. Most of the miles were put on with the engine spinning 3600 rpm.

    I just switched the tranny fluid in my F-350 to Amsoil with an auxillary filter, can't report any improvement but my hope is to prevent transmission failure due to the wider heat range of the synthetic oil.
  6. Rooster

    Rooster Member
    from Kansas
    Messages: 650

    Only 1 word need for synthetic oil "Amsoil" enough said!

  7. myo

    myo Senior Member
    Messages: 193

    I use Mobil 1 oil
  8. wyldman

    wyldman Member
    Messages: 3,265

    I used to use synthetic oil in everything,and it worked well.I have since switched mostly everything back to regular cheap dino oil,and have never had a problem.I think the synthetics are too expensive,and don't justify the extra cost in most applications.

    I think the main reason most people have good luck with synthetics,is if they are that concerned to put synthetic in it,they also pay close attention to REGULAR maintenance.Most people who had bad luck using conventional oils,DO NOT do regular oil changes.

    I have many a customer who has gone 4-500,000 KM on regular oil,but it was changed regularly.Save your money and use it elsewhere.

    Synthetics can't be beat in applications which don't require frequent changing,or are subject to extreme conditions.Stuff like ball-joints,u-joints,t-cases,and diffs will all benefit from synthetics.

    Another excellent application for synthetics is two-stroke powered equipment.Less carbon build-up,cooler running,and better lubrication can double or triple the life of a little two stroke motor.We used to do R&D for some of the oil companies when I raced motorcycles professionally,and NOTHING could come close to synthetic two stroke formulations.
  9. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    I have used synthetics,but like Wyldman,i switched back to dino oil. I use Shaffers oil in 90% of my equipment with no problems what so ever. By sampling the oil ,you can determine the correct oil change interval,which in many cases is much longer than factory specs.My ram is set a 7000 miles,if the engine fails due to lubrication problems shaffers will pay the bill,as long as you follow their recommended interval. http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=70351 This is my next filter set up i wil be using. i have the amsoil bypass on my Dixie ,this is a much cheaper element (toilet paper). I want to try one on my automatic as well,see how clean it keeps the oil.I dont think you would ever need to change your oil with this filter,just replace the filter and add makeup oil.
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2003
  10. szorno

    szorno Senior Member
    Messages: 308

    I had to compromise. We use the synthetic mix. Can't quite justify $4 per quart for full synthetic, but the blend (Valvoline in our trucks)seems to give the cold weather starting we like. All engines still original so I assume they are OK on the inside. I do use synthetic bearing grease when re-packing wheel bearings, specially on the 2 trucks with Dana 44 axles. Helps with moisture protection, amd maybe a bit with fuel mileage.
  11. Rooster

    Rooster Member
    from Kansas
    Messages: 650

    Lots of information from the link, Thanks John.

    I read the info at TDR website, and followed a link to gulfcoastfilters.com and called and got the owner!

    Very good informaiton from Gulf Coast Filters for a bypass system, not cheap but nothing really good ever is.

    I am going to try the gulfcoast filter bypass system and will post my results.

  12. ToyotaPower

    ToyotaPower Senior Member
    Messages: 129

    Mobile 1 oil

    I use Mobile 1 in my vehicle and a fram oil filter every 3000 miles or at the end of my snow plowing season regardless of mileage:waving:
  13. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    Rooster,your welcome,.There is a lot of good info on the TDR.
  14. SnowLane

    SnowLane Senior Member
    Messages: 127

    Synthetic oil is a waste of money unless you plan on keeping a vehicle longer than 150,000 miles.
  15. MSB1766

    MSB1766 Member
    Messages: 40

    I have used Red line products www.redlineoil.com there gear lube and water wetter have never used any other synthetic to compare the water wetter works great.
  16. BWhite

    BWhite Senior Member
    Messages: 496


    I agree the biggest payback for syn is when you keep the truck for a long time . This is the first I heard of 150K being the payback mileage
  17. Mike 97 SS

    Mike 97 SS Banned
    from U.S.A.
    Messages: 1,106

    My Camaro SS was built with synthetic in it and the car burned oil since day 1. I cant see how they can or would put synthetic in a brand new car that isnt broken in it. They say synthetic is such a good lubricant, I guess thats why it was burning it, the motor never got a chance to break in properly. So heres what I did. I changed the oil and filter and used only normal oil afterwards. The car still burned oil, cause you would see blue smoke out the tailpipe after revving the gas a little, and on the 1-2 shift with my brother following behind me, much much behind me :D, he said he saw a puff of blue come out the tailpipe. He said he also saw blue smoke come out when I would take off from a stoplight. But I figured that maybe now the motor was atleast breakin in so I didnt lose sleep over some oil consumption. You know that after a while the car stopped using oil? It stayed perfectly on the full mark and never made blue smoke anymore. So after a year or so, I knew that the motor was now full broken in and didnt use a drop of oil anymore, I just had to do an oil change and go back to synthetic just to see what would happen. Well I never saw blue smoke anymore or anything, but after about 500 miles or so of driving, I checked the oil and what do ya know, between a 1/2 and 1 full qt low. That was enough evidence for me, I changed it again and went back to regular oil and the oil level never leaves off the full mark even when I check it after 1,000 miles of driving. For the record, I change my oil and oil filter extremely often, between every 1000-1300 miles. Its probably a waste of money, but I know Im keepin the inside of my motor as clean as can be. I know some of you guys swear by synthetic, but I will never use it again. If you do your oil changes on time and change the filter everytime, you shouldnt ever have a problem. Mike
  18. gslam88

    gslam88 Senior Member
    Messages: 168


    I am sure that your camaro is not a diesel, but this is a copy of an email I got from someone....


    By using the AMSOIL Dual Remote By-Pass Oil Filter System on your Ford
    Diesel, the oil is "clean" all the time from the view of harmful
    particles in the oil that could cause engine wear or engine damage.
    Wear reductions of as much as 90% of the moving parts inside the engine
    have been proven in actual field trials. The visual appearance of the
    oil will still be dark, or even black, in a diesel engine over time
    since some of the soot, or burned fuel particles, are so small that they
    can not be filtered from the oil. The fact that the oil is "clean" can
    be verified by the use of oil analysis.

    On our own Ford F-250 Diesel with 105,000+ miles, and NO OIL CHANGES,
    the oil is "clean" according to our lab reports, but it is dark in
    appearance. We have skipped more than 20 oil changes in this truck so
    far and have a lot of confidence that the added protection we have given
    the engine by using AMSOIL Motor Oil along with the By-Pass Oil Filters
    will add significant life to the engine, transmission, and differential.
    The biggest benefits of AMSOIL are the improved fuel mileage, plus the
    time and money saved .

    This is not coming from me, and I will state that I don't know this person directly... but if this is true at 105K miles.... and the lab reports are true it might be worth looking into....

  19. ABM

    ABM Junior Member
    Messages: 27

    I don't know how significant the benefits of running synthetic oil in your engine are if you change it at 3000 mile intervals. I have a 1986 f-250 with the straight six that has over 425,000 miles and a 1988 chevy 1500 with a 350 that has 367,000 miles but we have faithfully changed the oil and filter (Quaker State oil and Fram filter). On a diesel I could see the benefits especially on a over the road truck or on heavy machinery where the intervals are farther apart. I use synthetic in my transmissions, rear end, front differential, and transfer case because I only change the fluid once a year. I used to work in a plant that had hundreds of reducers, gear boxes, ect. and they ran sythetics in some of them depending on the application, how often the equipment could be shut down for maintenance, the amount of heat it would be subjected to ect. They got to the point with oil analysis that they wouldn't change anything unless it showed that the oil was bad, a point that I didn't agree with because some things never got changed for years, but they (engineers and management) felt that they saved so much on oil costs that they could afford to replace a piece of equipment if something slipped and they had a premature failure once in a while. I didn't like this train of thought but I guess to each his own because someone always pays the piper in the end.
  20. Pelican

    Pelican 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,075

    I switched to Mobil 1 on the Escort I spoke of after reading a performance article in Hot Rod Magazine. Smokey Yunick was running it in one of his Indy cars and after the race disassembled the engine and blue printed it. He reported that all clearances were still within specs and the cylinder cross hatch was still in place on the cylinder walls, this after spinning at 10,000 rpm for 500 miles.

    One thing they had recommended from these findings was to break in the motor on regular oil before switching to synthetic. I've seen recent comments that this isn't necessary, I don't know for sure which is true.

    I ran my Escort for 25,000 miles and then switched to Mobil 1, and did oil changes at 10,000 miles thereafter. Mobil recommends a 25,000 mile interval, but that didn't set right with me.

    I kept a log book on that car for gas mileage and oil pressure, it didn't vary in either case during the life of the car. I had installed a mechanical gauge to monitor the pressure.

    I commuted 80 miles a day and racked up 210,000 miles before I replaced it. The drivetrain was still running great, but the body had rotted quite a bit. I had to replace a valve cover gasket at about 175,000 and it was nice and shiny underneath.

    I don't put that kind of mileage on a vehicle anymore, but if I did I wouldn't hesitate to switch to synthetic again.