In listening from what large snow removal contractors have told me, with out subs they wouldnt be able to grow as large as they have.<br>Some of these subs earn up to and over 30k a season in the lake areas.<br>Most have full time jobs, and are looking for extra work with out the resposibilty of managing a contract.<br>I use 3 subs myself. One does driveways after the storm, and the extra time I give him during the snowstorm is great for him.<br>Another splits his plowing 50/50 between his contracts and mine. i have places that are further away from my main area, so he does them for me, and at times I may cover one of his accounts near me.<br>It is a good way for a new person with a plow to learn the ins and outs of plowing, and how to manage a plowing business. i told bryan in a IM session that subbing for a good contractor is a very good way to learn.<br>Also near me a person who does mostly driveways may only plow 2-3 times a season, but if he subs for a commercial contractor he will get alot more hours.<br>From a contractor stand point they are great to use, they dont beat their trucks as bad as if you have a driver in your own truck. If they break, you dont have to fix it.<br>I have a binder full of agreements with subs, how to word them, and why to use them.<br>In the long run they are much cheaper than owning all your own trucks.<br>And easier than finding drivers for 10 different trucks.<br>Dino <p>----------<br> Professional Ice and Snow Management <br>Products:Services:Equipment www.sima.org