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Staples lot

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by FourDiamond, Dec 20, 2015.

  1. FourDiamond

    FourDiamond Senior Member
    Messages: 130

    We didn't get the bid a Staples lot, so I was hoping I could get some feedback on our pricing. The lot is 2 acres counting driveways off the highway.

    Work included sidewalks in front of the center, approx 750 sq feet, three loading docks, approx 150 square feet, and 3 stairways, 24 stairs total, about half are open grate.

    The normal snowfall November-April is 44 inches, with 37 days with snow. We calculated about 16 plow and salt events, and 14 salt only events.

    Our total price was $9900.00, all inclusive. Payments spread over December-April.

    With the lack of winter here I thought I might as well get started on next year. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

    Staples Plaza, West Hazleton, PA 18202.jpg
  2. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    You have 82 posts on this site so you are not a newbie. You should know how these pricing questions go on here. Only reason I read your question was because of the title. I plow a Staples but it's part of a complex. Good luck.
  3. ReddensLawnCare

    ReddensLawnCare Member
    Messages: 30

    He gave an informed post. Not a how much should I charge. Just wante d to see how he stacked up. I thought it was a good post
  4. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,174

    I thought so to, he didn't get the contract and he's trying to sharpen his pencil.
  5. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,400

    Why sharpen when you can just click?

  6. sodworksllc

    sodworksllc Junior Member
    Messages: 14

    I would of been pretty close to your price if anything a little more
  7. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    Didn't mean it like that. Every time someone asks a pricing question, the response is always the same .It's either, "I wish I could get that price here", or my favorite, "I won't start my truck for that price." I think you are right in line with your pricing, but you never know how cheap someone will go to get the work.
  8. maxwellp

    maxwellp PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,123

    "Our total price was $9900.00, all inclusive. Payments spread over December-April."
    I ran some numbers and I would not do it for less than that....................
  9. FourDiamond

    FourDiamond Senior Member
    Messages: 130

    Thanks for the replies, one of the reasons for the post is,like everyone here, I get told stories on how a guy plows the local ABC plaza with a half acre lot and no sidewalks, and gets $XXX per push. Or the the company that services the local big box store for XXX,XXX.00 per season etc, etc. We price a lot and I crunch numbers for half a day, present the proposal with ground level pics, snow pile location, overhead pics, etc. and come back empty handed. Sp I think either I'm crazy(good possibility) or these other guys are full of s***. So I thought $9900.00 was fair, or the price was so low that when they finished laughing, they threw it away.
  10. FourDiamond

    FourDiamond Senior Member
    Messages: 130

    I thought I would reopen this thread and try to get a little more feedback. The company who got the contract, I believe, is a sub for Snow and Ice Management out of Pittsburgh. Any thoughts, on the lot or the company?
  11. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,257

    Your problem is that you bid it to make money. Basically, what it probably should have been billed at.

    Since plowing has become a commodity, that isn't possible anymore based on a lot like this.

    I am a little confused aboot 44 inches and 37 days of snow with 16 pushes. Those numbers seem a little hinky.
  12. FourDiamond

    FourDiamond Senior Member
    Messages: 130

    The 44 inches are from the Nationsl Weather Servuce . The 37 days are a five year rolling average for days it snows . It could snow 10 inches or we could have flurries, either way it counts as a snow day. The more important number is the 16 plow/salt events and the 14 salt only events
  13. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    I am as well. I wonder if that was what they had this season(pushes/saltings), and not the actual "avg" (pushes/saltings)???

    Pricing seems good though. At that price you would be allowed to do an outstanding job & make a very nice profit.
  14. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    just saw this after posting.....so is the 16 plow/salt events & 14 only salt an avg? 5yr ? 10yr? ??
  15. ponyboy

    ponyboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,104

    I bet the mgmt company got more then your bid and they subed it to some one for $6000
  16. On a Call

    On a Call PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,077

    Did you ask what how much the winning bid was ?

    Personally I would have not done it for that either.
  17. FourDiamond

    FourDiamond Senior Member
    Messages: 130

    8 year average , 8 years is used because that's how long we've been in operation.
  18. FourDiamond

    FourDiamond Senior Member
    Messages: 130

    Unfortunately the strip center Mgt company wouldn't release that information. But we going to try and get it before we bid again. It can't hurt to try a second time maybe through a different person