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Sidewalk Crew Productivity Rate and $$

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by MatthewG, Sep 6, 2014.

  1. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    I have 2500 LF of sidewalk at a certain site, one of the walks is 1650 LF x typical 4 foot wide

    An ATV is best, but for estimating purposes, with a 4 man crew at $200 per hour($50x4), would 3 hours be a reasonable starting point for an entry level storm, 0-2" ?? Within that 3 hours they would also be expected to complete the sidewalk salting with bagged calcium and 1 or 2 walk behind spreaders.

    For a 10-12" storm I always take my base price, in this case $600 and multiply by 4, as everything takes 4x as long ($2400)

    Thoughts or Logic? Its a big sidewalk....

    Thank you
  2. TCLA

    TCLA 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,707

    You're with Winter Services, and are asking estimating questions regarding a sidewalk? :confused:
  3. WIPensFan

    WIPensFan PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,594

    I don't see how that could take 3 hrs @ 2" with 4 guys. and I also don't think you could charge x4 or 12 hrs for a 10" storm. I guess it's hard to tell without seeing exactly what you are dealing with.

    Some accounts we had the walks would be various widths, so Bobcat on the ones that are wide enough and snowblowers on the 4' wide ones. Doesn't really matter how much snow if the Bobcat could do it, but if your having to use blowers you definitely need more time on heavy snows. It can't be 4x longer though. Are you saying you're going to use an ATV if you get the bid? If so then just put a drop spreader on it for the salting. Basically, with that much sidewalk, you need to find a machine or machines that can do the walks in a timely manner no matter the snow depth. Those machines are usually quite expensive too. There are so many variables with sidewalks, hard to judge without seeing it.
  4. velocicaur

    velocicaur Junior Member
    Messages: 20

    I don't understand why you wouldn't use an ATV or a snow blower? I don't think bidding shoveling rates and then using an atv or blower would be fair. Not to mention, competitive.

    It's about a 1/3 of a mile and a 1/2 mile. An ATV going 8 MPH would be able to run up and down in 5 and 8 minutes respectively.

    A snowblower running 3.5 mph would take 12 miles running up and down and 17 minutes respectively.

    With a flat fee of say 100 dollars a push, you would make a killing and only need 1 guy and one piece of equipment.
  5. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    I feel 12 man hours for that job is too many. We do a set of walks that are 2500 LF also but most areas are at least 6' wide. Without looking at exact numbers from past seasons I know my 2 man crew does that site in about 2 hours with shovels and blowers including salt. Also there are no stairs at our location.
  6. Camden

    Camden PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,604


    ~4000 lineal feet of sidewalk isn't huge especially if you plan on using an ATV.
  7. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    Maybe I am reading it wrong but I think all the walks combined are 2500 LF....1 section of that job is 1650 LF.

    You may be correct tho
  8. Camden

    Camden PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,604

    No, you're correct. I read it as 2 walks. So yeah, 2500' is nothing. An ATV will have that cleaned up in a matter of minutes.
  9. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,914


    Is 1600 or 2500l Lf a lot of sidewalk???.....Enough to justify a 4 man crew....
    I'm still a little Hung Over from yesterday...So maybe I'm wrong
  10. Advantage

    Advantage Senior Member
    Messages: 766

    ?? I don't think he is the Winter Services you're thinking of.