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salting (yes i did search for this)

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by 1/2tonthatcould, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. 1/2tonthatcould

    1/2tonthatcould Member
    from MA
    Messages: 35

    Heres what ive learned so far.
    1 yard of salt weighs about a ton.
    17-20lbs of salt will cover 1000 sq feet.
    Salt is usually priced by the pound or by the ton or by the sq footage.
    I have read some people charge almost $200 to spread one yard, plus cost.

    Heres what else I would like to know. Say you are only spreading say 20pounds, is there a rate to price by the pound? Or how do you price any given amont of sq feet?
  2. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    If you are only spreading 20lbs you have to have a minimum charge. How much is it worth to not be in your warm bed?
  3. Drakeslayer

    Drakeslayer 2000 Club Member
    from Carver
    Messages: 2,803

    Bulk or bagged?
  4. IMAGE

    IMAGE Sponsor
    Messages: 1,747

    That answer differs if you're asking a married man or single man.
  5. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Well if he's married, then you have bulk,single more then likely bagged.

    200 lbs is a couple of bags.And if your not using that much ,better to go that route then bulk because if you don't use it all ,then what/
  6. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,781

    This made me laugh really hard...:laughing:
  7. underESTIMATED

    underESTIMATED Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    You can answer your own question, you already have the information.

    Since you mentioned yards, not ton's...you're probably referring to bulk salt? So that's normally $75-$100 wholesale ton (assuming you're not storing it on-site). So $100+$200 in your example is consistent with what you will see posted on this site of retail price per ton of salt spread (2k) or $.15/lb.

    If you paid $100 a ton wholesale, you're paying $.05/lb.

    Effectiveness of salt to break up/prevent ice should be spread at the rate of 2lbs/100sf. (Or .02 x sq ft)

    How you decide to charge is your business. You can charge by the pound (sort of hard to track unless specific increments are bought/spread). Or by square footage. So you know what the lot should cost/retail you.

    Personally I charge by the square foot on everything. I know how much salt I should need at any given time, I know how much my cost will be, and I know how much I need to charge the customer. Now - how much you charge per is again up to you.

    So if your seriously asking about how much to charge for 20# of salt, charge them the bag rate x 3 ($15). Or a minimum rate that meets your business needs.
  8. 1/2tonthatcould

    1/2tonthatcould Member
    from MA
    Messages: 35

    Yes bulk. and thank you. so people will pay nearly $300 for you to spread one yard? Also this may be a dumb question, but how can you tell that youve spread enough or too much?
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2013
  9. underESTIMATED

    underESTIMATED Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    According to what you posted, yes.

    I was just helping you do your own business math.

    Experience helps gauge spreading material. Im still learning after 4 years.
  10. coldcoffee

    coldcoffee Senior Member
    Messages: 776

    You can also devise an application rate, which in some cases can far exceed 200/ton.
  11. 1/2tonthatcould

    1/2tonthatcould Member
    from MA
    Messages: 35

    So if you were getting salt for 100 a ton, what would you charge to spread one ton? Those are just some of the numbers ive read off here.
  12. coldcoffee

    coldcoffee Senior Member
    Messages: 776

    My rates tend to vary, pending all sorts of criteria. I'm not sure what it is your trying to quote, but when people start talking "by the pound", I assume your talking more about residential or very small lots...not a language I'm familiar with. My point I guess, rather than give your client an opportunity to start splitting hairs over poundage, why not just offer a flat rate per visit. In other words...if a drive takes an 80 # bag on heavy snows or low temps, but only 50 #'s on other events...and if the going rate is $12-15 per bag or so many cents a pound...I just would never have the patience for that. I'd probably be hitting it for a flat rate of $18-25 per visit + the plow charge...but that's just me.
  13. underESTIMATED

    underESTIMATED Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    +1 Agreed.

    The average person isn't going to know what 200# of salt is compared to telling you that you are going to charge them for 4 bags of salt @ $15/each. Since you are using bulk, you can't verify that you've actually spread 200# of salt, unless it's weighted (or put bags in spreader) and run it empty on that lot.

    Like stated above, you can only use what will work for you.
  14. hammerstein

    hammerstein Senior Member
    Messages: 318

    If your paying $100 / ton I would start with a new supplier.
  15. underESTIMATED

    underESTIMATED Senior Member
    Messages: 188

    **Assuming** you don't have it trucked in, and you're purchasing it from another wholesaler that does have it trucked in. $85-$100 are the prices I've been given down here.

    Also just using the OP's opening post as a guide for his example.
  16. rocksbite

    rocksbite Member
    Messages: 80

    we buy bulk from a local feed supply. when we pick it up its $110 a ton. our spreader holds 2 tons and it takes 2 hours to spread that 2 tons at our site. we charge $200 a ton
  17. Spool it up

    Spool it up Senior Member
    Messages: 912

    in your case .....i would charge by the bag (50lb.) and that would be $25.00 per bag
  18. elitelawnteam1

    elitelawnteam1 Senior Member
    Messages: 164

    and if you're an unhappily married man, you will more than likely be sleeping in your truck on a regular basis anyways.Thumbs Up
  19. ducaticorse

    ducaticorse PlowSite.com Addict
    from we
    Messages: 1,426

    Ha, says you... I'll be in someone else's bed!!!!
  20. elitelawnteam1

    elitelawnteam1 Senior Member
    Messages: 164

    ****, you sound like my dad! lol