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Safest de-icer for concrete,asphalt,and anything else

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by EmpireDawgs, Dec 6, 2010.

  1. EmpireDawgs

    EmpireDawgs Junior Member
    Messages: 1

    Hows it going everybody my name is thomas and me and my friend started a Landscaping and Junk Removal business last may (Empire Landscaping & Junkyard Dawgs) and our main source of income is when it snows, we currently have 20 accounts and i was wondering what is the safest de icer to use before and after storm?...what de icer wont ruin customers driveways and walkways?...and where do you buy this?...if a few people can get back to me asap i would greatly apprecaite it thank you for giving your input.
  2. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    deicer etc.

    So much of what you ask depends on your location and altitude and latitude, it all depends on how fat your wallet is and how willng your accounts are to having sand used as it SAVES them money and costs you less money especially in bulk. (The safest least expensive deicier is sand as long as it is spread heavy enough it virtually eliminates the ice and snow hazards. A kerosene salamander with a sheet metal directing hood does wonders for breaking up the thickest ice to pavement).

    You will recieve a lot of suggestions and recommendations but you have to understand your actual location, your customers need for deicing and your collective wallets will be the the deciding factors.

    If you buy enough bulk sand and can keep it under cover you wil save money; If you can buy bagged sand in trailer load lots from the mining company all the better for you as sand will not degrade from season to season like most sodium chloride deiciers.

  3. fnltch

    fnltch Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Here in Iowa we use a product called Safe walk it is a product derived by corn and it is not as harsh on concrete as other ice melt products. If still will track into your building entrances as well as any other ice melt product but it does a nice job melting and it will not harm your greenscapes. Safe walk is made in Buffalo Center Iowa.
  4. Advantage

    Advantage Senior Member
    Messages: 766

    Sand is not a de-icer as another poster suggested. Mag Chloride works well on concrete walks but is more expensive. Any use of Chlorides comes with corrosion risks.
  5. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872


    The Subject SAND if laid down heavily enough,
    Nearly Eliminates the ice or slippery condition
    as a factor as massive amounts of traction
    are created by the use of the Subject SAND
    covering said square area.

    Using gravel or stone sand also reduces the
    refreezing of an area as it remains very cold
    and does not melt the ice and or snow actively.

    The sand may in many cases aid in a stable
    melting rate on asphault as it absorbs solar heat
    and does release it quickly.

    Fine sands or concrete sands also cost less than
    deicers per pound and more can be used to reduce
    any possible slippery conditions to a minimum and
    continues to aid pedestrian traction. It may be a bit
    messy but in considering it does not willingly attack
    concrete, stone work, asphault, good grass sod,
    or mature shrubs with ease as it becomes
    soluble with water and freely releases the chlorides
    that will react with the snow and ice to dissolve the snow
    and ice with the chemical reaction which occures when
    the deicer contacts the ground surface if it is layered
    with snow and or ice.

    As the chlorides are freely released when in contact
    with ice and snow they travel quickly into the surrounding
    soil and vegetation quickly as the vegetation wil take in the
    dissolved fresh water WITH the chlorides and damage or kill
    the vegetatation.

    The Tully Valley area including Tully Farms Road in Central New York
    is a prime example the transfer of chlorides from sodium chloride
    in which the valley floor suffered from mud boils, land slides, and
    chloride transfer to the root systems of the surface trees and
    vegetation on the valley floor due to Allied Chemicals many years of
    of heated fresh water injection and hot salt water extraction
    which was gravity fed from the Tully Valley to Solvay N.Y. where the
    salt water was used to make Soda Ash and Chlorine.

    Both softwood and hardwood trees and cold hardy plantings
    will wick up the saline water into thier root systems freely
    and very quickly which is why they become damaged so
    easily by deicing chemicals.

    One can freely say that Sand can be considered a non toxic
    method of "ice and snow management" if one desired
    to further promote its use and reduce salt use SAVING
    the customer money.

    One mans messy side walk is another mans way to save
    money, reduce damage to concrete sidewalks
    and avoid killing vegetation and reducing surface
    water pollution and its negative affects down stream.

    Potato potatoe, its time to change the oil in the Zamboni and grease it
    before Woodstock starts yelling that the ice needs to be groomed and
    before long we will be dancing the Hokey Pokey and Playing Hockey.
  6. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985

    What about Sodium Chloride......:eek:.......Thumbs Up
  7. Advantage

    Advantage Senior Member
    Messages: 766

    Yeah, ok. Thanks for the lesson....:dizzy:
  8. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Leon, you are so far off the mark it ain't funny anymore.

    What's that?
  9. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985

    You Know....Thats the Fancy name for that stuff that Eats Concrete...:nod:

    I want what Leon is on....Smells good from here.....:eek:
  10. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Ohhh. Hungry Salt. :drinkup:
  11. ohchit

    ohchit Member
    Messages: 32

    Sand as a deicer thats pretty funny. The only deicer that will not do damage is the sun. If that is not an option for you then take your chances with any of the ice melt products.
  12. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Sun ain't no good either. :alien:
  13. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    He said Hungry Salt:laughing:
  14. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985

    There ain't Mulch Sun around here in the Winter.......:rolleyes:
  15. KMBertog

    KMBertog PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129

    Sand is not a de-icer. Sand might help with traction, but de-ice?????? Come on......
  16. dmontgomery

    dmontgomery PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,238

    isn't it the refreeze that causes the concrete damage...........not the chemical used to melt ice. If you get the concrete dry before a refreeze then there will not be damage.... Sounds so easy...I know...