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punishing an empl.

Discussion in 'Business Fundamentals' started by grnstripes, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. grnstripes

    grnstripes Senior Member
    Messages: 237

    okay so is what I am thinking, too harsh
    i have had a crew leader working for me for about 9 months now ( not my best emploiee that is for sure ) but gets the job done
    one day last fall we had to go out early to clean up damage from irean. told them the day before the start time and everything the next morning him and the guy that rode in with him were a no show didnt answer the phone or text messages. they pull up as me and another guy were almost done the job saying how they never heard the alarm go off or phone ring. I gave them a verbal warn. and moved on fast forward to this week
    sunday evening he text me asking if we had MLK day off I told him no we were working as we had parking lots to clean up and businness were open then he said he was at his brothers in mass ( not letting me know he was leaving town and we are on call from NOV 1 to APR 30 so if we had a emergency call i would be screwed trying to get someone on his route in time ) he said he would head back that evning and be ready in the am
    at 330 am I try calling, no answer strait to voicemail, send several texts over an hr and a half ( in the mean time call in another guy who is payed hourly ( this guy is salery ) to do his route. At 10 min to 8 he texts me says hes almost home and will be coming in. I told him not to even bother. after thinking about it a few hrs and alowing myself to calm down a little i decided I should punish him by 1) giving him a written 2nd warn ( third being walk out the door ) and 2) dock his pay what I had to pay the other guy to do his job

    dose this sound fair or do you guys think im way off base here or not hard enough on him

    thanks for the input
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2012
  2. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    All starts with your employee handbook.You need to put it in writing as to what will happen and put it in writing and have him sign it. Spend some money and have an employee handbook made up .Then go over it yourself with them and have them read it ,then sign a form that they understand the book. As for now put in writing what will happen if he does it again.
  3. clark lawn

    clark lawn PlowSite.com Addict
    from NE ohio
    Messages: 1,233

    Its time for him to go! i put up with that from employees in the past and it ended up screwing me in the end. Once they get that additude tell them to hit the bricks. its not worth it, they will infect the other employees and just end up costing you more money.
  4. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    no call, no show, no job
  5. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    At the least I would dock his pay what he would have made that day.
  6. lilweeds

    lilweeds PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,178

    First you need a handbook, you can't just make the rules up as you go. Second his last infraction was over a year ago? If so you really can't hold that against him. (I don't remember which storm happened when)
  7. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,584

    You can't dock his pay, that's illegal. Definitely do a written warning, the more people I employ the more I'm learning that as the state sees it, the employee is always right, and the employers have to protect themselves. I'd start looking for his replacement now though, it sounds like he's headed down the road to the unemployment line.
  8. thelettuceman

    thelettuceman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,218

    Post #2 x2
  9. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    I disagree. If this salary paid employee used all of his sick days and then called in sick, would he still get his full weekly pay? I've had salary employees in the past and deducted 1/5 of the weekly pay when that happened.
  10. Jacobsmovinsnow

    Jacobsmovinsnow Senior Member
    Messages: 315

    What Clark Lawn said. Get Rid of him, he will make sure it will cost you before he leaves. Sounds like if you discipline him in what ever form he gonna be in Payback Mode.
  11. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    It was revelation as I was recovering from a dog bite. :D
  12. grnstripes

    grnstripes Senior Member
    Messages: 237

    I do have them sign off when they start working as to what is expected for behavior even as to
    How they act outside of work ( towards illegal activity ) if they are seen around town in my equipment
    They will be linked to me and how we do business so they sign a letter saying
    How they will act drive report on time and everything but as I read it it's not real set forth
    On punishment so that would be the gray area
    We do do six month evals and his last one wasn't outstanding
    As for an answer to lilweeds it wasn't over a year ago he has only worked for me for
    9 months and tropical storm irean hit aug 28 th so it was aug 30th when the late show was
  13. IC-Smoke

    IC-Smoke Senior Member
    Messages: 672

    I have a sign in the shop garage that says "if you're on time, you're early. If you're on time, your'e late. If you're late, you're fired" They are all "at will" employees and I run a 3 strike rule.

    Id say write him up and start paying him hourly. Give your next guy in charge a chance to step it up and take control. Maybe the guy will realize his job is important to you and to himself?
  14. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    First off, discipline is probably a better word than punish.

    Second, if he isn't your best employee, why is he a leader?

    Third, he violated company policy by not being available in the stated dated range.

    Write him up, move him to hourly. Call him last.
  15. Boomer123

    Boomer123 Senior Member
    Messages: 371

    Sound good to me
  16. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,394

    Broom him, it's not worth the headaches. I hate to say it but employee's are disposable! I am lucky (finally) to have a decent crew so far but have had to give a sidewalk guy (A.K.A. drama queen) the "last chance" speech. I hate disrespect to me or the company and to me thats a big F you.
  17. Mdwstsnow512

    Mdwstsnow512 Senior Member
    Messages: 168


    when it comes to winter, unless your awesome.and its an extreme circumstance. one chance. they all get warned in the fall and sign the packet.
  18. thelettuceman

    thelettuceman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,218

    How many stitches .... and are you the employee that is being discussed ???
  19. SteveR

    SteveR Senior Member
    Messages: 252

    I make it clear to my employees, "if I have to do your job I dont need you", sound,s to me like you had to do his job. Send him packing! NH is an at will state we do not need any reason to fire an employee unless we have a ploicy, I would check state law before having any dicipline policy, sometimes they can bite you.
  20. excav8ter

    excav8ter Senior Member
    Messages: 554

    NO PAYCHECK for YOU!!!!....... come back......ONE WEEK!!