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This site has been around for over 20 years and the plan is to continue to grow even stronger but thanks for the concern, we appreciate it
There's a core group of members here that do keep things "stimulated" which keeps the site pretty active and as a byproduct it keeps yourself bizzy too.
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Vertical Scope also counts the bots as users.
as I've asked a few times already, are you here to post and be a decent, contributing member or just troll, stir up trouble and cause issues again? But you're not going to throw stones and talk smack, especially on the new ownership

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as I've asked a few times already, are you here to post and be a decent, contributing member or just troll, stir up trouble and cause issues again? But you're not going to throw stones and talk smack, especially on the new ownership

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No one is trolling. The fact is that most website count bots like they count users. It helps to push up the numbers. And really advertiser's don't care because they often employee them to help push the numbers of their own content up on social media. In 2017 the NY Times [this isn't classified information] did a big article on how most social media users Bots to help them go viral. I'm sure this site is running a couple of social media sites as well so they are more than happy to use sources that help boost their numbers and increase the flow of people to the website. This is a numbers game cast a big net and the better chances you have of getting actual people that will click on ads. However, in Feb
of '21 the Harvard Business Review showed that some the estimates on online advertising is way over stated by like 4,100%. https://hbr.org/2021/02/what-digital-advertising-gets-wrong

So, I do analysis. I don't mean to annoy one but this is what I do. I feel a day of reckoning is coming for digital advertising very soon. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 3-4 years we see a massive drop in advertising revenue for websites like this. If this is the case than a website like this will only survive if it can get memberships that are paid. That maybe the future model for this website and all others since most of these websites probably generate far less revenue through just advertising. I would love to see how many ads on this site are actually clicked on and how many clicks are turned into sales. I've personally never purchased anything from a popup add. Data on ads clicked on but with no conversion to sales seems to me a bit like telling you what didn't work. Which is important but if the data is telling you that ads aren't selling isn't the rational approach to change strategy?
 

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If this is the same owner of Vertical Space sites like Snowplow Forum.com? The Ice-Sage is correct about one thing they some Super Moderator[Snowfarmer]over their that just banned me for my Username. Which happens to be my real name. I guess that is a great way to do things. Oh, and he claims I spammed the website with same question I asked here.

First this he claimed my name was stolen valor and then when I ignored it on my post he decided to threaten me with banning in a private conversation. After I told him it was my name. He still persisted and so I saved the conversation and sent it to the Admin. If this is the way VS allows their websites to be run then this place will die a quick a death if they put moderators like that over here.
Sew then Walter, koner aka RichardbongIII
Whatever your real name may or may not be.

I think you owe just about everybody from Mike to all of the new owners a big old apology,,,,jmo
and I'll leave it at that
thank you Mike
You are a more than fair moderator
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No one is trolling. The fact is that most website count bots like they count users. It helps to push up the numbers. And really advertiser's don't care because they often employee them to help push the numbers of their own content up on social media. In 2017 the NY Times [this isn't classified information] did a big article on how most social media users Bots to help them go viral. I'm sure this site is running a couple of social media sites as well so they are more than happy to use sources that help boost their numbers and increase the flow of people to the website. This is a numbers game cast a big net and the better chances you have of getting actual people that will click on ads. However, in Feb
of '21 the Harvard Business Review showed that some the estimates on online advertising is way over stated by like 4,100%. https://hbr.org/2021/02/what-digital-advertising-gets-wrong

So, I do analysis. I don't mean to annoy one but this is what I do. I feel a day of reckoning is coming for digital advertising very soon. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 3-4 years we see a massive drop in advertising revenue for websites like this. If this is the case than a website like this will only survive if it can get memberships that are paid. That maybe the future model for this website and all others since most of these websites probably generate far less revenue through just advertising. I would love to see how many ads on this site are actually clicked on and how many clicks are turned into sales. I've personally never purchased anything from a popup add. Data on ads clicked on but with no conversion to sales seems to me a bit like telling you what didn't work. Which is important but if the data is telling you that ads aren't selling isn't the rational approach to change strategy?
That's great, but once again, and this is going to be blunt, no one asked for your advice or analysis. Almost every site on the internet earns revenue by ads, including Google/ YouTube, and Facebook.
Since VS is a publicly traded company, they're records are public, a 27% increase in ad revenue for q3 compared to previous year.
Your analysis is all speculation, and for someone that just joined 5 days ago, you sure have a lot to say.

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That's great, but once again, and this is going to be blunt, no one asked for your advice or analysis. Almost every site on the internet earns revenue by ads, including Google/ YouTube, and Facebook.
Since VS is a publicly traded company, they're records are public, a 27% increase in ad revenue for q3 compared to previous year.
Your analysis is all speculation, and for someone that just joined 5 days ago, you sure have a lot to say.

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I will be equally blunt this stockholders report is cute.

Actually, most companies like Facebook, Google and Youtube make more on the data they sell to advertisers than the actual ads. But that gets me back to the Harvard Business Review article I linked to before.

Also I would like to know if they increased their prices on ads and to see how much that influenced the so-called increase in ad revenue. If you increase your price on ads by 3-5% that could be huge portion of the 27% increase in ad revenue depending on the number of ads they are running.

E-Commerce was down by 27% exactly the same amount they made in revenue on ads back? That to me seems to point to an increase in ad revenue due to change in prices.

as for active members I would take those numbers very very very cautiously. There is no reason for you to not count Bot-Farms in that number that man advertisers are using now to boost things.

What if I told you that I DON'T CARE ONE BIT ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS... But mark my words in a few years advertisers will get the data they need to see how maximize their ads online and something tells me Pop Ups and Banners aren't going to be the winning methods.
 

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Lets see. VerticalScope has 11 new acquisitions,this year, and 1,200 online communities and more than 100 million monthly active users. I think Mr Donovan is right, they will be fine.
Those numbers don't mean anything. If you know how to look and find it, just sites like bookface have roughly 570 million+ users that have never stepped foot back on their app or site. And it is so difficult to delete your account people just stopped using it. These corporations still include dead air(customer accounts deleted or permanently idle) like profit generation data. The corps also use slight of hand in their contracts to own your personally inputed data forever. Copyrighted and all. You own nothing here on PS now. Your own pictures of your equipment or dogs you post are no longer your intellectual private property. They can be used in anyway shape or form the corp sees fit. Too make profit. To sell all the metadata that goes along with it.

Not sure why you guys like this treatment from corps. You all bash the MSM(deservedly so), then praise be to allah the new ownership here when they are no different than the rest of the corps. Dare I say even worse.

It is what it is. Sure, be optimistic. Hope for the best for PS and LS. History and facts show this is not the case for these eat them up and pick them apart corps. Time always tells the case.

God speed to the People.
 

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Before my dad passed away, he was the one who got me into computers, even during my pre 20s I was concerned about privacy. His line that convinced me,
"Have at it if you want my identity..Im really not that interesting. If you can make money off my data, go for it. Anything that promotes me is exposure. If I havent done what I can with it someone else might as well!"
 

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The math doesn't add up for VS' claim that 93.8 million active users are using their websites. That means on average 78,166.66666667 active users each month on every website. Doable but not likely happening given the trends in how websites tend drop active members after awhile. And further analysis shows this means more than 2600 users active on average every day for the average 30 day month. That's alot of users per day on any site. This is why the sites are trying give little cognitive prizes like awards for posting 200 in month whatever it gives people goals and actually engages them like Casino Games. Yet, since this is website designed for interaction with other people these rewards are lost if the website doesn't have the members for the feed back necessary to engage the users properly. So that is a must if you want to keep and grow numbers.

But also must now consider this in the real world users don't neccessarily nicely average out their time on websites. instead they move around and they don't necessarily spend alot of time per week. So, you might have some really low performing messageboards in your portfilo like say Snow Plow forum which from a quick glance has 7.3K members. And is riddled with one and done posters. So, are you telling me that the other websites are so vastly over producing members they can make up for probably a good 120-200 of these stingers in the Portfilo?

The answer is simple you change the crateria of active member to include more people and then sure these numbers make sense but they tend overstate membership many critical ways. This is why so many ad studies are showing the ineffectiveness of online advertising like banners or pop-ups. Many studies show that even TV commercials are loosing their effectiveness to a large degree becuase of over saturation. Which is why Influencers are taking on such importance in the advertising world. Influencers are living commercials selling not a specific product but sense of what Happiness , Wealth, Beauty, ect and so on is.

The question is will VS start selling the Snowplowing lifestyle to the world via influencers.

Then we have the question of what exactly is E-Commerce to a website that sells ad space between membership created content? This is a bit of an interesting statement on the stock report for the Q3. What exactly is the E-Commerce? Are VS selling NFT's? I don't see any yet. Are they selling Memberships yes but I doubt many people are signing up for memberships at $20 per site for many sites. If you did 3 sites per year that would $60.00 USD just to get what maybe a special gold star and VIP chatroom. Well, if you're the only idoit to purchase one on a dead website that would be pointless now wouldn't it? Sorta of like talking to yourself. So what could this E-Commerce be? I think they trying to sell their platform as a market place thus they are counting the amount ads that generated direct purchases of items. So, then you start to see an interesting thing that the Ads went up 27% but the sales went down 27% in Ecommerce. So, what happened was most likely VS increased their per ad price to offset the fact that people stopped purchasing items after clicking on ads on their websites.

But there has always been a problem with the claims of views by internet companies and reality. Netflix was guardng its viewership data and methodology completely from the prying eyes of the external world until this year actually. Now they claim that will provide the data all the time. We will see.
Youtube has revised its algorthrim for viewership mutliple times and it still is probably overcounting very popular content creators because that helps to drive the entire system.

So, forgive me if I am bit skeptical of these huge numbers given how data is manipulated in Silicon Valley.
 
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