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New per hour pricing I just lost to

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Superior L & L, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,041

    I just put a bid together for a Menards in our area. The store asst. manager was super nice and helpful. I get all my "stuff" together and go present my bid. They decide they will handle all sidewalks and salt supplying. This means i have to salt a 8 acre parking lot and lumber yard with bagged salt. I figure that i would use 3-4 tons per application or FOUR PALLETS!! in a v box. This does not make much sence to me !! they just want a per hour price for a salt truck. Now i could give then a good price and that would tie up a salt truck all nite or that same truck could be grossing $800.00 per hour putting our salt down at other locals.
    Then we start talking about trucks and loaders and said he had 4 quotes, 3 were in the $75-85 per truck per hour and one guy quoted $40.00 per truck and would guarantee two trucks on the lot for each snowfall. The Menards guy even said i cannot belive this guy was quoting this and that he doesnt belive he know what he's getting into. But he said this guy would be getting the contract unless im LOWER!!

    I tell the guy to hire that guy and call me when he has 5" of snow in the lot and this "cheap guy" doesnt show, shows but cannot keep up or is stuck cos 8' plows are no good!!

    $40 per hour come on people this is stupid!
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2008
  2. RLM

    RLM PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,270

    There going to plow a 8 acre lot with trucks & 8' blades ? How much is left for parking after a couple storms ? The salting is crazy. Sound like your lucky not to get it. To much out of your control.
  3. BigLou80

    BigLou80 Senior Member
    Messages: 558

    Thank god you were smart enough to tell them "good luck with that guy" to many people will match a stupid price like that making it harder for the rest of us to make a living
  4. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    I needed the work Superior. I'm actually subbing it out for $20 an hour. I'm making $20 an hour to stay home. I got two homeless guys to spread the salt with drop spreaders we use for grass seed. All that is costing me is food. Menards is supplying the salt so I'm making out there to.

    Just kidding. Good thing you walked away. Put that truck to work for $800/hr.
  5. Milwaukee

    Milwaukee 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,180

    That guy should have not plow. Do he have insurance for plow at Menard?
  6. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    now that is some crazy stuff
  7. smoore45

    smoore45 Senior Member
    Messages: 526

    That sucks. It seems like this is more common in Michigan than in other parts of the country. Maybe I should move.
  8. elite1msmith

    elite1msmith 2000 Club Member
    from chicago
    Messages: 2,762

    the reason for the hourly rate for salting, is becasue menards will supply you with there salt form in the store and load it into your spreder,

    and i have seen most bids around 75 per hour
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2008
  9. big pusher

    big pusher Senior Member
    from ohio
    Messages: 129

    I think you might see more of this during this season because contractors are becoming more desperate.
  10. powerjoke

    powerjoke PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,341

    i just get sick and tired of everyone trying to beat everyone for the last penny!. i droped by a medium size lot (1-1/4 acre) the other day to drop off a contract and the prop. owner scribled out my price filled in his own dollar figure and signed it and returned it to me, after we already agreed on the price :rolleyes:LMAO..


  11. IMAGE

    IMAGE Sponsor
    Messages: 1,747

    haha thats a good one. you should scribble out his signature, and write in "bozo the clown" and send it back to him.
  12. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609


    if money is okay this winter i wont plow much and will try to overcharge when i do.

    if money is not so good this winter i have to plow for beer and spending money, more plowing than i want to do and at market rate.

    if money is really tight i will have a sign saying "will plow for food or heating oil" on my truck and lowball everything.
  13. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    that's unbelievable.
    Truly. :gunsfiring:

    I wouldn't say a word
    Just wait til it snows and just never show up.
    You don't, after all, have a contract. If you modify a contract, you have invalidated the existing one. He has made an offer to you, you haven't signed his version. no contract.
    Let him try and find someone when the snow is flying
  14. Brant'sLawnCare

    Brant'sLawnCare PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,756

    Wow, that's how much I charge for mowing, and that's a lot easier on stuff! Even a "Lowballer" should be able to get more than that. That guy brings a new meaning to the word!
  15. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,931

    I think thats lower than what i ever took for snow blowing residential driveways lol. I can chew up $40 in fuel per hour with two trucks
  16. creativedesigns

    creativedesigns PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,929

    So what did u do? lol, did ya call him back...
  17. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    probably just runs his business out of his home and uses his personal trucks for work and has no expense other than $3-4k in used plows and his fuel..... i'd say he is doing good and probably is making twice as much as myself because of low overhead......nothing wrong with that.....also he probably pads the hrs a little if i were guessing...
  18. NoFearDeere

    NoFearDeere PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,724

    Yeah I bid the Super Menards here in town last year. They signed my contract and were going to call me later that day. Just so happen another contractor called that afternoon and they told him that they signed mine. He tells them he'll do it for 10% less than all of my prices so they go with him. The other contractor tells me this and so does another employee at the store. I call up the manager and of course he denies it. I told him that my company is not going to ever provide service to a dishonest company and man such as himself.....;) In some other words also!:D
  19. stillen

    stillen Senior Member
    Messages: 247

    you guys hate these low ballers, but hey guess what , they have to make a living too. I was competing for a contract with this other guy, and come to find out, its a teen who has a beater who lives with his parents. Basically hae has no over head, other than his insurance, and his fuel. In the end he's doing way better than me on the bottom end... Same with my lawn service. I have kids mowing lawns for twenty bucks and it takes them 1.5 hours. Those same lots I'd be asking 40-50 with removal of clippings and blow off the asphalt. The homeowner has a choice 20 bucks or 45, which do you think they are going to go with. In the end the grass is cut..... Same with residential plows, If I was going to charge a customer 45 for their driveway, and then some kid comes along and offers to blow it for 20 using his parents snowblower, guess whose getting that job.... Its the business, I'm just dealing with it....
  20. NoFearDeere

    NoFearDeere PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,724

    Very true...but in my case, the other guy is three times as big as me! Has new skids, wheel loaders, etc. Just makes me laugh knowing he isnt making sh*t off that lot!:D