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New Parking Lots For Next Season Maybe?

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Enzo, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    Hey Everyone,
    I have 13 residential clients for next season and I also want to do some parking lots. I am hoping to at least get one. I know a guy who owns about 4 or 5 Dunkin Donuts on the same road within 2 miles of each other. I want to offer him a price per lot based on a per push system for the storm depending on the snowfall. This is what I was thinking for just plowing:

    $75 2-6"
    $100 6-10"
    $150 10" or more

    I buy ice melter for almost $17 a bag which is 50 pounds. I would think I would need at least 150 pounds to cover the sidewalks and parking lot.

    Can someone please help me out on what you think about this I greatly appreciate it.

  2. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

    dunkn donuts lots arent that big. how you going to get rid of the snow?
  3. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    Stacking the Snow to the corners, or other parts where I can. I am going to try and get some pictures for you guys to get a better look at the situation.
  4. iceyman

    iceyman 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,925

    try google earth
  5. LawnProLandscapes

    LawnProLandscapes PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129

    they actually get snow in connecticut?? j/k :drinkup:
  6. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

  7. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    What do you all think?
  8. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    Sounds ok. I don't know what kind of ice melter you are paying $17 a bag for...It better be Landscapers choice for that amount...and I SURE wouldn't be using that unless you re always up against grass.
    Another thing,...I'm not crazy about your rating scale for additional snowfalls.
  9. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    Do you think I should be charging more? And yeah there is grass I need to protect in certain areas.
  10. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    Yea, your scale needs to have higher ratios.
  11. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    Ok what would you suggest I set them at?
  12. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,041

    I would use regular salt on the lot and non salt on the walks. At $17 per bag thats the last thing i would put on a parking lot. Heck at $17 i would have a hard time putting that stuff on a sidewalk
  13. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    Why is that?
  14. Gicon

    Gicon Senior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 989

    Enzo, first of all, if you want to talk about high maintenance, you are talking about the right account. If that guy has 5 locations within 2 miles, they are generating some serious money. You will have to pick one or the other between Residentials and these 5 becuase this guy isnt going to listen to you tell him you cant get there for another 3 hours becuase you have to finish up your Resi Route. 2nd of all, $75? $100? You are doing this to make money right.......not just help out your dads friend???? Those prices are way to low for the commitment that is involved in Dunkin Donuts.....ESPECIALLY if they are 24 hours, or one or more is a bakery hub. 2nd of all.....$17 per bag of salt???? Ive never even seen salt that expensive. The most expensive thing Ive ever bought was Inferno, just to try it out, and it was around $15 a bag. No way will you be making money at $17 per bag. You will have to be in the $8 range for a quality product. Get a few more Residentials. They will be more lucrative and not as high maintenance. I can go a lot deeper into the cost effectiveness of this proposal, just not typing in a post.
  15. plowman4life

    plowman4life Senior Member
    Messages: 557

    if you pick up all his D and D you are gonna want to tell your resis that they may be waiting. and your gonna want at least 2 trucks for just those D&Ds to keep them all salted and cleared durring and after a storm. plus a couple trucks or just 1 to take care of your resis and to help out the other ones at the police headquarters (D&D)
  16. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    Yeah I understand what you guys are saying. I just said $75 to see what people think. I want to try and under bid the other guy to offer the owner some better pricing. You guys are right about having more trucks which I cant afford right now, but I am looking into getting another truck in a few years. I am going to try and get the parking lot of a small convenient store near some residential accounts I have, hopefully I can work something out with them. As far as ice melter/salt where could I get that for cheap in the CT area?
  17. nicksplowing

    nicksplowing PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,226

  18. Enzo

    Enzo Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    Yeah, I also have another guy that I use to help him by being his shoveler :( but I learned many things and I know he will be more than happy to get these parking lots and we split the profits. So now we got two trucks covering all the lots. I am also getting business insurance as well as my LLC before I go ahead and talk to the owner of the DD's.
  19. Sno

    Sno Senior Member
    Messages: 320

    In a 10" Snow storm, you'd be humpin pretty good to properly care for two of those with one truck.

    I agree, that looks like a 200.00 lot at 3"

    Bid 175 if you want it real bad but I'd get three trucks for 5 of those lots.

    And insurance...

    Plan on residentials waiting 5-10 hours after the storm.

    Or Mr. Duncan wont be happy.