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New Customer says no Stakes

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Rum Runner, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. Rum Runner

    Rum Runner Junior Member
    Messages: 4

    Picked up a new customer this year, 10 drive way/parking lots. Contracts signed, payment made . I went to stake each of these properties, lady came out and said I couldnt use rebar stakes , (group homes for kids with anger issues) she asked me if a could use any thing else, I sugested wood stakes, she thought that would be ok. I bought enough to do these d/w's painted them and installed them. 3 hrs later I get a call to remove them. Now they insist that I not stake at all. So I reworded my contract that they insist I not stake and that I would not be responsible for any damages.
    But What about my plow if one of the drivers strike the concrete steps and tears the plow and / or truck all to pieces.
    What do you think I should do. and there is a fire hydrant right on the edge of the pave.
    Thanks for any sugestions

    KIVALO Member
    from Uhh NO!
    Messages: 31

    You cant even use a fiberglass rod?
  3. Rum Runner

    Rum Runner Junior Member
    Messages: 4

    Been there and sugested that and , no way, said no stakes of any kind. We always stake to protect their property and our equipment....... so what if we tear up our equipment then what.. what should my contract say to address this.
  4. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,256

    I'd be upset with rebar too.
  5. snowpro44

    snowpro44 Member
    Messages: 45

    rebar!!!come on..thats not a good idea..those are dangerous..just have too be carefull til you doit a few times..if your good!! it wont be a problem..
  6. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    Draw a map of the property with obstacles. Give it to the drivers and have them sign off on it. In no way can the property owner be liable for your drivers hitting something. So hold the drivers accountable.
  7. born2farm

    born2farm 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,310

    Make really detailed site maps and make sure all drivers get one. I would be more afraid of my guys running over rebar stakes then I would be them hitting curbs.
  8. framer1901

    framer1901 Senior Member
    Messages: 852

    Holy balls, rebar? 7500 pieces of 4' rebar - that'd weigh what?
  9. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    I never put out stakes Never had a problem All my drivers know where everything is at

    Person take there time along curbs and on drives you don't need stakes

    Do have one lot the owner stake it where the sprinkler heads are

    I took on one complex in there contact said no stakes. That first time seen that so I ask why. They said 5 years ago there was a accident with a child getting stab with a stake by falling on it.

    I tell customer if they want stakes they need put them out
  10. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    Make all drivers go to the site before hand, have them walk it, learn it ETC. Stakes are annoying, I hate them
  11. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Steaks are for the grill
  12. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,174

    Beat me to it!

    Never mark property either.
  13. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,943

    I never mark my properties(I only got 1 other plow driver though)
  14. coldcoffee

    coldcoffee Senior Member
    Messages: 776

    I would put helium filled balloons on strings & nail them to the ground. That way you can drive around w/ the tank & take a hit when they call you...and pass them out to all the troubled children...and maybe then they won't be so angry anymore. You'd be sort of like the candy man...only different.
  15. MSsnowplowing

    MSsnowplowing Senior Member
    Messages: 761

    I'm with you there. With one exception.

    I always mark any new property I get for the first year.
    Then after every one has plowed it and knows it, no more stakes.

    I word my contracts like this:

    We will put down boundary markers or flags on the property if we deem it necessary.
    If the Client wishes they may put down their own boundary markers or flags.

    One year I staked a hotel, bought the nice 6 foot stakes, sprayed them with neon orange.
    Put 40 of them up on the property.
    two weeks later I happen to be driving by, someone low life scumbag took them all.
    The hotel strugged it off and didn't want to know anything about it.
    I added an addumen to the contract stating due to theft I would not be marking their property and they were responsible for any and all damage done unless they put up their own stakes.
    I refused to plow unless they signed it and was going to drop them. they signed it.

    Knock on wood, have never broken a curb.
    The only thing I ever did was take a sign out backing up during a blizzard -(the first and last time I let the wife ride with me, yeah I was distracted by her, not her fault but mine)
  16. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,174

    Phone boxes and fire hydrants are the only things we mark. We photo when signed and when the season ends. We document all damage done thru out the season. Can't tell ya how many semi trailers have ran over curbs and taken out Trees and surbs. Or teenagers trying to climb piles of snow in mommies jeep......the best thing you can do is document with pics and communicate.
  17. potskie

    potskie Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 769

    There really isn't a need for stakes usually. I only stake weirdly placed hydrants with an X and properties without curbs. Just go slow and have good maps simple as that.
  18. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    Did that once same conditions but I had my son with me. Teaching him something he was like 10. I back in a white sign at a factory. That accident made me some money. In spring time all signs was painted yellow.

    I never let anybody ride with me that day school was let out early, I had pick him up only reason he was with me after that I always took him to the sidewalk crew.
  19. MSsnowplowing

    MSsnowplowing Senior Member
    Messages: 761

    My 15 year old rides with me if there is no school, I let him do a few small sidewalks and pay him.
    He loves it, he can't wait till he can drive and plow.
    He and I went and staked one of my new properties yesterday.

    Cheap stakes to get from home depot,
    6 ft bamboo, 6 pack $2.97.
    10 packs, 60 stakes is only $30.
    white base spray can $4
    neon spray can $5
    Total cost under $50.

    I spray them with white base then neon yellow or orange.

    Use a drill with a long bit the size of the bamboo and drill a hole into the ground then tap them with a hammer.

    They stand out nice and tall and if someone does steal them, at least your not loosing a lot of money.
  20. GreenAcresMike

    GreenAcresMike Junior Member
    Messages: 10

    I have never staked before but I do take several pictures with my phone