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Need Assistance.. 1st Large Commmercial Bid

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by M & MD Lawn, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. M & MD Lawn

    M & MD Lawn Senior Member
    Messages: 361

    I have been on the site for a while soaking up knowledge and this year I was finally able to purchase a blade for the truck. Been in the Lawn care/landscape business for about 8 years now (started my company in 2003).

    Newho on to the post, my subdivision where we live has asked me to bid it, full contract lawn care, landscaping, fertilization, plowing, salting, the whole nine. Now I am fine on the rest, but the snow I am just a little unsure on how to bid, they do a per inch system. I am confident I can serve them, i just need help on the pricing so I don't "loose".

    details: 4 inch trigger but can call before if want, salt all corners and main drag (calcium) and they pay per/lb for salt <--- never heard of paying per pound but I don't see a negative to it.

    The property is pictured below

    Thanks in advance,


    snow 1.jpg

    THEGOLDPRO PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,136

    For the road or all the driveways as well???
  3. M & MD Lawn

    M & MD Lawn Senior Member
    Messages: 361

    O im sorry just the road for the bid
  4. wideout

    wideout Senior Member
    from iowa
    Messages: 727

    How long are all the road ways total?
  5. M & MD Lawn

    M & MD Lawn Senior Member
    Messages: 361

    The main drag and large loop are 1 mile and the 2 culdesacs are 1/10 each, the two streets in the middle are 4/10 together

    Main Drag and Loop = 5280
    2 culdesacs = 1056
    Inner Streets = 2112

    Total = 8448

    This is what I got in the truck, could be give or take a few feet
  6. bristolturf

    bristolturf Senior Member
    Messages: 435

    i was just looking at your pictures of your plow when you bought it which helped me with this answer. Your lucky because there is the strip of grass between the sidewalk and curb and your not going right up to the walk or whatever. That is going to be a tough push for your truck with a 7.6 blade. Its going to take you at least 5 possibly even 6 passes to clean the road curb to curb. Why is the trigger so high? 4" is going to be a lot of snow to push, it should be a 2" trigger. If you had a 4500 or something 4" wouldnt be a problem. For salt most states recommend 250-350lbs per lane mile depending on the storm and such, so even will go up to 500lbs if its really bad. So your looking at like 800-1100 lbs of salt per salting for that place. How do you plan on doing salt? I see you dont have a spreader, you using a tailgate or bulk? I plowed a subdivision that was about 2 lane miles and usually used about 1000lbs salt. I was using a f350 with a 9.2' v plow and it took me 3-4 passes to get it cleared curb to curb and it usually took me about 30-45 minutes to plow it.

    Im not saying not to do it, but i would just be careful with your equipment that you have.

    With your stuff on a 2" push I would probably say about $90-115 or so, and then what ever the salt is.
  7. Banksy

    Banksy PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,113

    3" falls and they don't call...then it kind of melts and then freezes with car tire ruts....then 4" or more falls on top of that and they call you. That will be a mess. I agree with the 2" trigger.
  8. bristolturf

    bristolturf Senior Member
    Messages: 435

    exactly that is what would worry me. A resi client asked me for a 4" trigger and i said no im sorry i do 2" triggers and thats it.
  9. M & MD Lawn

    M & MD Lawn Senior Member
    Messages: 361

    I would prefer a 2" inch trigger, but they have always had a 4 and I guess they are stuck in their ways, We have lived here from jump and the only time it was a 2 inch trigger was when the home builder was still here.. and yes I figured about 5 or 6 passes from watching the other contractors and sizing up my truck. As for salt they only do the corners and main drag so they ask for a price per lb and then you give them how many pounds you use. And yes I plan on purchasing a tailgate salter and would be using bagged material as I don't have storage for bulk. The trigger is set at 4 inches but they can of course call before which I have rarely seen them do.... and yes I was concerned with my equip set up but I figure I would just have to be more careful.. I would never just bid this snow, but in bidding the contract I have to bid the snow too..... I figured It would take me with my setup about a hour to a hour and a half maybe two.. not to mention all I do is pull out the drive and im at the site... Also the rate about 2-3 years ago was 385 (same trigger and conditions)......So I was thinking maybe in the 500-600 range given that fuel has gone up?
  10. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    One way,but your going to be making at least 4 passes each time you plow.
  11. bristolturf

    bristolturf Senior Member
    Messages: 435

    I think you will be very high at $500-600 per push. On 4" $385 per push seems high to me too. I would guess thats like a $250/push site max, plus salt probably what 200lbs at most?. Plus you need to remember, that if they wanted too, they could seperate out the snow, and hire the city to push it for them. By law a city can only charge them what ever it costs them per hour to plow, which in most cases is right around the $40-50 per hour and a city truck will be in and out in less than 1 hour on that place.

    R.J.S. SNOWPLOW Senior Member
    Messages: 892

    Where do they want you to stop plowing at? One road in same road out
    Also a 4 trigger won't be nice on your truck and you will be blocking a lot of driveways so get ready to hear them yelling at you
    Send me the address I will measure it for you
    Good luck
  13. M & MD Lawn

    M & MD Lawn Senior Member
    Messages: 361

    Yes I know i know, I wish I could make it a 2" but they won't hear it. And I have to plow to the curb, atleast thats my assumption as thats what all the other contractors have done and the drive way situation, yes I know as i live here lol, they'll live or just call me to do the drive lol

    How do you measure it,online?... I see your info says your from chicago and if you just search grandview gardens 46260 it will come up or are you recently moved to indy?
  14. M & MD Lawn

    M & MD Lawn Senior Member
    Messages: 361

    Hey guys, another question as I am writing up the bid....Since they can or may call before the trigger should I include a price for like 1-3 and then put the trigger price at 4-6? Or should I just submit what they ask for the trigger price and worry about them calling when they actually call?
  15. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    No discount.
  16. plowman4life

    plowman4life Senior Member
    Messages: 557

    give them the price for 4 inches. if they call you to plow 2 inches you still charge the minimum of 4 inches
  17. M & MD Lawn

    M & MD Lawn Senior Member
    Messages: 361

    Well that settles that