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National Provider venting

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Herm Witte, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. Herm Witte

    Herm Witte Senior Member
    Messages: 595

    I have and continue to read a lot about a few bad national service providers. A lot of venting about them is placed on this forum and it is a good place to do so as well it tends to relive stress.

    Here is suggestion; those of you that are not getting paid or not getting response to your issues band together, seek legal counsel as a group and consider a class action lawsuit naming the national provider and the actual recipients of your service. You offer a time sensitive and often a critically needed service and should be treated like such. Involving media as suggested in a different thread is also a great idea.
  2. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    Was it ForgetpaymentandSon
  3. Herm Witte

    Herm Witte Senior Member
    Messages: 595

    I am not involved with nationals but am concerned how some of them treat their contractors so I offered a suggestion. If I was involved I would spearhead.
  4. Plowtoy

    Plowtoy Senior Member
    Messages: 929

    Isn't it funny how many threads there are about them? I guess you need to get burned before you walk away. I can't say I had horrible experiances with nationals, but I declined to sign the contract when I saw the writing on the wall. I think thats good advice Herm!
  5. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    Sorry I was reading it wrong I thought you had a problem

    I stayed away from one

    I work for others and getting paid

    But if you was involved with that one you seen and signed the contract you cant put a lien on them. They look and find always making it your fault for not getting paid.
    1 guy on here done a lot and not sure he ever got all his money.

    Hit the search button find his thread and post your suggestion there see if it helps.
  6. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    We've done several hundred thousand dollars worth of work over the past 4+ seasons for a few nationals and have been paid in full within 30-45 days (per contract) but then again we are able to operate phones, computers, and smart phones and keep good track of our work (not rocket science) so I guess I'll have to sit this one out...
  7. WIPensFan

    WIPensFan PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,594

    Are those the number 1 reason's so many others are not getting paid on time or at all? I've often wondered if some guys just aren't doing a good job with submitting the proper info at the proper times. IDK as I've never worked for a national, nor would I ever.
  8. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    I firmly believe so. There are a list of things you need to do to be in compliance, cert of insurance in file, w9, etc then comply with how they want the service reported be it phone call, email, app, website, none of its difficult but you have to do it 2 weeks down the road you can't be like "yeah I plowed der da udder day" you think corporate sites go for that? Heck no. Do what's asked get paid, that's my experience.

    ....and get waivers signed for parts of their contract you won't tolerate. Yeah. That happens.
  9. edgeair

    edgeair Senior Member
    Messages: 597

    Yes I bet you are pretty much bang on there for 90% of the problems encountered by folks.

    Now if they would just pay market rates... but you can't really blame the nationals for that can you.
  10. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    That's why we've never done any snow work for usm, their rates are terrible, they offer something low and then you can bid less to try and get the work. Weve proven ourselves as a quality company and have been able to negotiate fair pricing with the nsps we work WITH.

    Edit: sorry for going off track. Evil! Evil! Evil! [Insert corny name here]
  11. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,249

    I feel another headache coming on.....
  12. peteo1

    peteo1 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,660

    Maybe it's the beers I've had but that's pretty darn funny. As far as the national guys go we've decided we aren't going to be doing business with them. It sounds great till you start reading the contract and then hearing how guys aren't getting paid on time if at all. I could loose money sitting on the sofa. I don't need to work at going broke
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2015
  13. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,931

    Good honest suggestion, but the issue is that none of us were ever under the very same contract for the same exact accounts with the same terms as the next guy...

    Company abc plows a supermarket for x terms and is owed money at end of season.

    Company xyz plows a bank for x terms seasonal and is in a dispute for serviced rendered.

    I've discussed this at length in the past, sure ONE attorney functioning in ONE state with ONE NSP could handle ALL cases brought against that NSP, but My attorney can't do much more than your attorney in another state.

    I honestly think some attorneys should list their listing on Plowsite and similar sites and ADVERTISE taking on cases against specific companies...

    You've seen the commercials before, have you taken viagra and had an erection lasting longer than 6 hours? lol. Well you get the point, but there are always attorneys who specialize in something very specific because they handle the same type of case against the same company over and over.
  14. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,931

    Or some like Ferrandino just lie about things halfway into a season... but i agree, most have so many steps between doing the work , billing for it and waiting to get paid, that you almost CANT get paid.

    How about this, some states you can have "6 months snow insurance policies".

    So our cert to them is written for say 11/2012 to 5/2013 ... guess what happens when THEY don't pay you in full by 5/2013.. they had the nerve to notify us that our payment did not go out on a Friday in MAY 2013, because we were not in compliance, took us 3 days and multiple phone calls only to be told they cleared it and check will go out next friday.

    They actually expected us to get the policy renewed AFTER our contracted period, which was not how the contract was written.
  15. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    Did you ever get all your money
  16. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    he hehe he
  17. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,917

    Have you worked for Ferrindino???.....
  18. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,917

    Pills must be wearing off..............:drinkup:
  19. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,917

    Please in form us of names of these Nationals so we can all be on the look out to work with them....:confused:

    Lipinski or what ever their name is now ......Suck

    Ferrindino........Sucks Big Time

    USM.....Sucks even Worse

    Brickmann....No too Bad...

  20. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,247

    We started working for one last fall, not one that has been mentioned above. The dollar amount I would say is well above industry average (surprisingly), they don't pay net 30 but not too far out and you do have to do a little more paper work. All in all its a good account, as for these ones mentioned above I think I would stay clear, just too much negative input on here for me.