My complex has lost their minds

Psyclopse

Member
After years of paying various people $75 per hour ($50 per hour over 5 years ago) the management company calls me and informs me that they are no longer going to pay that amount. I asked why and they said it's because I am an employee of the complex, the others who did it before are not. So I asked them what they proposed paying me.

They said that they were only going to pay me $10 per hour- for a complex that takes about an hour if the snow is bad. I told them that I won't even start my truck for that.

Now, I can see them adjusting their price IF AND ONLY IF the truck and the plow belonged to them (maybe not as low as 10 bucks though). But the truck and plow is owned by me, and I won't do it.

I asked where they came up with the $10 figure and they said "well, it's what we pay you to shovel the walks, so it seemed fitting for plowing as well."

I told them to either pay me properly or find someone to contract- and they seemed offended by it. So, I sent them a contract (which states my pricing)- the same contract that I would give to any other complex that I didn't work at. I then told them the only other option is to buy a truck and plow for the complex, then I'd discuss doing it cheaper. I was very polite during the whole conversation (can't say the same for them) but I did let them know that there is nothing stating that I had to use my own equipment for my employer's purposes, and if my decision affected my job in any way, I'd seek legal action. I also told them (once again, politely) that I'd service the lot no further until an agreement is made between us.

Now, it is a simple lot, and I'd be willing to go down to $50 per hour as long as they paid for any damage that occured to my trucks while on the property, but I will not accept $10 when last year's contractor got $75- just because I am an employee. I don't get paid by the hour there for maintenance, I get paid by the job. For instance, I get paid the same $20 for a faucet regardless of if it takes 5 minutes or 5 hours. The only thing that is hourly there is lawn care and snow removal. The rates they are willing to pay are as follows-
$7.50/hr lawn care - their equipment
$10.00/hr snow removal (shoveling/ blowing) - my equipment
Unagreed/hr snow removal (plowing) - my equipment

What are your thoughts on this situation?
 

SlimJim Z71

PlowSite.com Addict
Location
Cary, IL
I'd say you did the right thing. $10 to plow their lot??? That's rediculous. You get $10 to plow a VERY small driveway, not a parking lot. You sound like you went about things the right way. I can't say I would've been so nice.

-Tim
 

cos

Junior Member
Location
southeast pa
ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR FREAKIN MINDS?

I would tell them to go plow and shovel it themselves for that price!!!!!! They have to realize that wear and tear on your vehicle is a major factor!! I can't believe they had the balls to even try to lower their price like that. If it was me!!!!, I would quit and get another job and send them a proposal for $100 an hour!!!!! Tell the bitc& to get out there and shovel it themselves!!!, and see if its worth $10 an hour!!!!!!

Just my 2 cents
 

GeoffD

PlowSite.com Veteran
This would be one of the few times I would ever suggest this.

Plow them in man. Stack the snow high right in front of their entrance during the middle of the night.

Geoff
 

MJ

Senior Member
They're loonier than a tune or think you was born yesterday. Who's going to be responsible for gas, insurance, repair of equipment etc? I can't imagine an "employee" being responsible for providing a vehicle and plow!

Mick
 

cat320

2000 Club Member
Location
stoneham,ma
Tell them to go out and spend the $30-40K and set you up with a plow truck and sander and why they are at it a bobcat for snow removal another $26K.Then you will do it for no less than $13 and hour that's the going rate up in mass for just driving someones plow truck.Oh yea tel them to pay for yopur insurance too.Gas and repairs.
 

slplow

PlowSite.com Veteran
Location
FRAMINGHAM, MA
I would not even do the lawn work for under $10 hr it's just as hard work as doing the walks. I start my landscape workers out at $ 9.75 hr. If they don't like what you charge for plowing scew em.
 

Gordon

Junior Member
Location
Central Delaware
Plow them in man. Stack the snow high right in front of their entrance during the middle of the night.

I couldn't have put it better myself. It's a shame but some people will always try and see just how much they can get out of you.
Gordon
 

jrblawncare

Senior Member
They are using you!!!Even the lawn care rates are low.I would say,"Bye see ya" or any of the above plow'em in,ect...
 

HandyHaver

Senior Member
Location
Phila, Burbs
Just tell them $10.00 is fine for you and a shovel but if they want you to use your personal truck it's $65.00 an hr. for the truck, min charge 1.5 hrs. Have them divide that by $25,000.00 for their own set up plus ins, maint, gas, and an operator. If they don't see things your way, hit the highway!!!

Mark
 

jaclawn

Member
Tell them that you will push snow all day long for $10/hr. Tell them that the truck & plow rental is $65/hr.
 

John DiMartino

PlowSite.com Veteran
Location
Walden,NY
You did the right thing,and acted as professional,I wouldnt plow them in,but at the same time,I would be looking ofranother job if I were you,especially if they hire an outside contractor.These people have no idea,as to the costs involved in running a snowplowing business,the nerve of them to think you would use your plow and truck with no compensation what so ever,for up front costs,wear,fuel,manitance,repairs,insurance etc.Jaclawn said it best,rent them the truck/plow for 65/hr,with yourself as exclusive operator.
 

cos

Junior Member
Location
southeast pa
I agree with Jaclwan. Tell them yeah, you will plow for $10/hr., but the truck with plow-rental is $65/hr.@ 1.5 minimum. Then next year find more accounts and when they call, tell them that you are too busy, but wouldn't mind giving them a proposal, then KNOCK THEIR SOCKS OFF.
 

cut-rite

Junior Member
If you want to shovel for $10 per hour then do just that ,leave the plow home . Should take about 12 hours to shovel whole lot =$120. They will save a ton of money LOL
 

SlimJim Z71

PlowSite.com Addict
Location
Cary, IL
Make sure their insurance is up to par if you're gonna go that route though... your broken back is gonna cost some $$$.


-Tim
 

Mudrtrukr79

Junior Member
Dont get mad ....get even

Next time it snows and they call you , tell them you cant come out ...you have a vision problem.....you just cant see working for $10 an hour .Then explain to them that with the rising price of fuel , maintenance,and the fact that having a plow EXCLUSIVELY for their use is to be considered a luxury and luxurys cost money ....Now its $150.00 an hour at a minumum of 1.5 hours . When they sputter tell them now you know how it feels , and Ill be waiting by the phone , once you agree to my price ....then hang up !!!

Dan
 

cos

Junior Member
Location
southeast pa
YO DAN,

Vision Problems? That was awesome. I must have laughed for 2 minutes when I red that. I can probably say that was 1 of the funniest posts I have red in a long time.


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