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My complex has lost their minds

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Psyclopse, Jan 2, 2001.

  1. Psyclopse

    Psyclopse Member
    Messages: 94

    After years of paying various people $75 per hour ($50 per hour over 5 years ago) the management company calls me and informs me that they are no longer going to pay that amount. I asked why and they said it's because I am an employee of the complex, the others who did it before are not. So I asked them what they proposed paying me.

    They said that they were only going to pay me $10 per hour- for a complex that takes about an hour if the snow is bad. I told them that I won't even start my truck for that.

    Now, I can see them adjusting their price IF AND ONLY IF the truck and the plow belonged to them (maybe not as low as 10 bucks though). But the truck and plow is owned by me, and I won't do it.

    I asked where they came up with the $10 figure and they said "well, it's what we pay you to shovel the walks, so it seemed fitting for plowing as well."

    I told them to either pay me properly or find someone to contract- and they seemed offended by it. So, I sent them a contract (which states my pricing)- the same contract that I would give to any other complex that I didn't work at. I then told them the only other option is to buy a truck and plow for the complex, then I'd discuss doing it cheaper. I was very polite during the whole conversation (can't say the same for them) but I did let them know that there is nothing stating that I had to use my own equipment for my employer's purposes, and if my decision affected my job in any way, I'd seek legal action. I also told them (once again, politely) that I'd service the lot no further until an agreement is made between us.

    Now, it is a simple lot, and I'd be willing to go down to $50 per hour as long as they paid for any damage that occured to my trucks while on the property, but I will not accept $10 when last year's contractor got $75- just because I am an employee. I don't get paid by the hour there for maintenance, I get paid by the job. For instance, I get paid the same $20 for a faucet regardless of if it takes 5 minutes or 5 hours. The only thing that is hourly there is lawn care and snow removal. The rates they are willing to pay are as follows-
    $7.50/hr lawn care - their equipment
    $10.00/hr snow removal (shoveling/ blowing) - my equipment
    Unagreed/hr snow removal (plowing) - my equipment

    What are your thoughts on this situation?
  2. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    I'd say you did the right thing. $10 to plow their lot??? That's rediculous. You get $10 to plow a VERY small driveway, not a parking lot. You sound like you went about things the right way. I can't say I would've been so nice.

  3. cos

    cos Junior Member
    Messages: 28


    I would tell them to go plow and shovel it themselves for that price!!!!!! They have to realize that wear and tear on your vehicle is a major factor!! I can't believe they had the balls to even try to lower their price like that. If it was me!!!!, I would quit and get another job and send them a proposal for $100 an hour!!!!! Tell the bitc& to get out there and shovel it themselves!!!, and see if its worth $10 an hour!!!!!!

    Just my 2 cents
  4. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    This would be one of the few times I would ever suggest this.

    Plow them in man. Stack the snow high right in front of their entrance during the middle of the night.

  5. MJ

    MJ Senior Member
    Messages: 129

    They're loonier than a tune or think you was born yesterday. Who's going to be responsible for gas, insurance, repair of equipment etc? I can't imagine an "employee" being responsible for providing a vehicle and plow!

  6. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,224

    Tell them to go out and spend the $30-40K and set you up with a plow truck and sander and why they are at it a bobcat for snow removal another $26K.Then you will do it for no less than $13 and hour that's the going rate up in mass for just driving someones plow truck.Oh yea tel them to pay for yopur insurance too.Gas and repairs.
  7. slplow

    slplow PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 594

    I would not even do the lawn work for under $10 hr it's just as hard work as doing the walks. I start my landscape workers out at $ 9.75 hr. If they don't like what you charge for plowing scew em.
  8. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    In summary: TELL 'EM TO POUND SAND!

  9. NEAL

    NEAL Member
    Messages: 98

    Tell them to GO FIND A STICK !
  10. Gordon

    Gordon Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Plow them in man. Stack the snow high right in front of their entrance during the middle of the night.

    I couldn't have put it better myself. It's a shame but some people will always try and see just how much they can get out of you.
  11. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    They are using you!!!Even the lawn care rates are low.I would say,"Bye see ya" or any of the above plow'em in,ect...
  12. HandyHaver

    HandyHaver Senior Member
    Messages: 279

    Just tell them $10.00 is fine for you and a shovel but if they want you to use your personal truck it's $65.00 an hr. for the truck, min charge 1.5 hrs. Have them divide that by $25,000.00 for their own set up plus ins, maint, gas, and an operator. If they don't see things your way, hit the highway!!!

  13. jaclawn

    jaclawn Member
    Messages: 92

    Tell them that you will push snow all day long for $10/hr. Tell them that the truck & plow rental is $65/hr.
  14. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    You did the right thing,and acted as professional,I wouldnt plow them in,but at the same time,I would be looking ofranother job if I were you,especially if they hire an outside contractor.These people have no idea,as to the costs involved in running a snowplowing business,the nerve of them to think you would use your plow and truck with no compensation what so ever,for up front costs,wear,fuel,manitance,repairs,insurance etc.Jaclawn said it best,rent them the truck/plow for 65/hr,with yourself as exclusive operator.
  15. cos

    cos Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    I agree with Jaclwan. Tell them yeah, you will plow for $10/hr., but the truck with plow-rental is $65/hr.@ 1.5 minimum. Then next year find more accounts and when they call, tell them that you are too busy, but wouldn't mind giving them a proposal, then KNOCK THEIR SOCKS OFF.
  16. cut-rite

    cut-rite Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    If you want to shovel for $10 per hour then do just that ,leave the plow home . Should take about 12 hours to shovel whole lot =$120. They will save a ton of money LOL
  17. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    Make sure their insurance is up to par if you're gonna go that route though... your broken back is gonna cost some $$$.

  18. Mudrtrukr79

    Mudrtrukr79 Junior Member
    Messages: 27

    Dont get mad ....get even

    Next time it snows and they call you , tell them you cant come out ...you have a vision problem.....you just cant see working for $10 an hour .Then explain to them that with the rising price of fuel , maintenance,and the fact that having a plow EXCLUSIVELY for their use is to be considered a luxury and luxurys cost money ....Now its $150.00 an hour at a minumum of 1.5 hours . When they sputter tell them now you know how it feels , and Ill be waiting by the phone , once you agree to my price ....then hang up !!!

  19. cos

    cos Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    YO DAN,

    Vision Problems? That was awesome. I must have laughed for 2 minutes when I red that. I can probably say that was 1 of the funniest posts I have red in a long time.

    :D :D :D
  20. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    Dan,that's great-Im getting back on the chair now,that was funny.