Thanks for those figures. I am now looking for a pickup and plow. I have seen everything from snoway to western to meyer. Prices in these are competetive, does one have any advantages over the other? Any thoughts about spending time looking for a used one? Got John Allins new book ordered-looks pretty good. I am looking at either a powerstroke or cummins. Which pickups have a better front end? enough questions Happy Turkey eatin'