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Mixed Use Lots and Walks

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by bmccartney, Dec 7, 2009.

  1. bmccartney

    bmccartney Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    A local development company (Columbus, OH) has what they claim to be 47 acre lot, including buildings and walks and such. I've never taken on such a project before as it seems like a decent sized one because of all of the walks. They want a 1/4" trigger on salt because of a lawsuit last year and they're debating 1" and 2" for plowing. They want a per hour per equipment and per ton for salt bid. We've got two atv's for salting and plowing walks and 3 3/4 ton pickups. Do you guys think this will be enough and how much salt do you think? Should I suggest a season price or monthly price or go ahead and do it per hour like they're requesting? Thanks.

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  2. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    with 3 pickups and 2 atvs, I would go for the hourly, you will make a killing:D......I'm sure some of the more seasoned plowsite members will have some better advice soon to come though, just hang tight.
  3. thesnowman269

    thesnowman269 Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    That looks like a very big area to clear with just pickups. If i was going to do it I would find some one with a loader. That place looks huge!
  4. thesnowman269

    thesnowman269 Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    Not to mention all those sidewalks:dizzy::dizzy::dizzy:
  5. bmccartney

    bmccartney Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    How would I go about finding someone with a loader?? Post on this site and craigslist? What would someone expect to make an hour or what would they want as a season rate or month to have it sit there as I assume it would?
  6. cmo18

    cmo18 Senior Member
    Messages: 815

    Very general question, varies between towns....but you need more equipment, unless you plan on plowing there from start to finish...Rent a loader or sub out loader work....
  7. bmccartney

    bmccartney Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    Would more trucks do it or is something bigger a must?
  8. mnglocker

    mnglocker Senior Member
    Messages: 923

    Trucks will never push the wind-rows on a lot that size. You'll need at least a big tractor or a wheel loader.
  9. lawnproslawncar

    lawnproslawncar Senior Member
    Messages: 605

    Go with the hourly.

    Talk to some construction guys who don't plow to start looking for a loader.

    Plan on using at least 20 tons of salt a storm...Not familiar with your area/temps.

    Trucks will only get the snow plowed so far. Check into a rear pull plow...search plowsite for examples

    What kind of line of credit do you have with the bank? You might want to up it if you get it.

    Get a contract drawn up by a lawyer...non-compete with the loader operator...

    Oh yeah, one more thing to consider. Find a bobcat to assist around the curbs and walks.

    And that will just be a good start for you. Isn't it a little late in the season to start this?
  10. lawnproslawncar

    lawnproslawncar Senior Member
    Messages: 605

    Cash crop farmers with tractors and loaders would be a good place to look too. YOU NEED BIG IRON to push a lot that size.

    Don't jump in until YOU feel comfortable with it.
  11. lawnproslawncar

    lawnproslawncar Senior Member
    Messages: 605

    Sorry, I keep thinking of more.

    Bobcat with a power broom would be the cats meow! Just my opinion.
  12. bmccartney

    bmccartney Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    The complex manager says he's expecting to spend about $17k for plowing and salting for the winter...at a 1/4" trigger for ice and 2" for plowing...does that seem right? Like I said I've never bid anything this large but.... and yeah they contacted me at the end of last week. Evidentally they've been going through some ownership changes and now a business in California owns it but it all just seems a bit odd.
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2009
  13. badabing1512

    badabing1512 Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    yea it would do it for 17000 if it was just one section of those lots
  14. lawnproslawncar

    lawnproslawncar Senior Member
    Messages: 605

    Tell him that sounds ok. If you're hourly and go over....WHO CARES. That is their problem that you couldn't convince mother nature to go easy on just this one lot.

    Then they can payup and you'll have plenty of :drinkup: money

  15. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    17,000? I don't see it happening. The only way that could be done, would be be for a caliber of contractor that have a rubber tire loader and box planted at the site, and basically does the lot at or near cost just to sell the salt. Now,...if you could get enough dependable subs in there at around 50/hour or so to help out, you'd be that much farther ahead.
  16. WMHLC

    WMHLC Senior Member
    Messages: 248

    If that has 47acres that need to plowed there is no way you can handle that with that equipment.

    With the equipment listed you are looking at around 16hrs to complete the job. If you get hit with a storm over 6inches you are going to be over 24hrs.

    Salt is going to be alot, I hope you have a large line of credit. I would say around 25tons, when the temp is warmer and could be up to 50 when its really cold.
  17. bmccartney

    bmccartney Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    The entire lot is 47 acres, including buildings and walks and such. I'm seriously thinking about passing on it this year because it seems like a pretty big undertaking and I don't have the big equipment in place or subs lined up. In addition, I'm not sure how they will respond when their bill goes beyond $17k and I don't know that I want to be in the middle of a property management company and out of state owner fiasco when the snow starts flying and invoices come due. Even billing salt at cost with an estimated 20 tons/event and only three trucks capable of doing the lot in 15 hours, you're talking $6400/event. So they're expecting only three events? That doesn't include the salt they want to start going down at 1/4". Oh well maybe next year I'll have the nads to consider something like this.
  18. duekster

    duekster Junior Member
    from Texas
    Messages: 27

    Use Google earth to measure the lots if you don't want to walk it.

    Good Luck.

    I was just contacted about some snow jobs down here in Texas and am completely lost as to where to start. I do have a few idea's but most of them come down to run.... :D
  19. pro seal

    pro seal Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    if lot is on east side i could help you out or bid it and give you some of work. call rick 740-928-1439 or email Proseal@earthlink.com
  20. Clapper&Company

    Clapper&Company PlowSite Veteran
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 4,413

    Um you better bid that:

    By the Hour and Per ton of salt!

    The only thing your 3 truck are going to do is hold the fule tanks for the equipment and run your guys to lunch.

    You need some Loaders with push boxes.
    I agree Id put a skid there to for doing the loading areas and also durning the day for the parking lanes.
    A Dingo with a power broom or 4' push box would be great for the walks.

    Im sorry, but i dont think your ready for this account if you really think 3 trucks would be good to go