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Management Companies are Getting Crazy

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by sectlandscaping, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. sectlandscaping

    sectlandscaping Senior Member
    Messages: 315

    I just got this bid packet and it has what the company is willing to pay on it. This is crazy! I heard of having a budget but not putting it in a request for bids. It tells you how many times you can bill them per month. It even outlines how many times they pay for salt. All kinds of signatures required for every service and invoice. I think someone with OCD made this.

    I was already turned off by the language in the contract then I get to the end and see this. The prices arent that low. I can see a sucker doing it for that but cmon what happens when you have 4 storms in 1 month? they dont pay for that. lol. Good for them if they can find someone to follow this to a t. I dont think they can though going by the date.
  2. framer1901

    framer1901 Senior Member
    Messages: 852

    Bid it per the bid packet, what can possibly be the big deal?

    It's not your property, it's theirs. They can choose to spend their money in anyway they see fit - you are self employeed, you can choose to tell them what it's worth to you or do the work for what they are willing to pay.

    Getting stuff signed costs money, you just add what it's worth to you into the cost.

    If I own a building and ask you to plow it only when the moon is 75% or more and then only on Thursdays - well that's what I want - give me a price to do it.

    If I tell you that I want a millon dollars worth of work for 10 bucks, politly say no thanks and on to the next one....

    There are diamonds in the rough out there, some of our most difficult people to work for are the best customers.
  3. sectlandscaping

    sectlandscaping Senior Member
    Messages: 315

    I see what your saying but with prices in it like that. I think there sending it out there and hoping someone accepts it. Seems like the opposite way to do it. Like there naming their own price. I wouldve just sent them my own price anyways.

    Thats the way I see it. I wouldve doubled my price for the aggravation. It specifically says if the guy isnt around to sign. You have to keep coming back. If you dont have a signature within 24 hours you dont get paid. Theres about a dozen more scenarios where you dont get paid or have to pay! Ill just pass.
  4. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    I would use the return address, and subscribe to some nasty gay porn magazines for them. My treat.
  5. MSsnowplowing

    MSsnowplowing Senior Member
    Messages: 761

    Welcome to Corp hell.
    They are hoping you mess up so they don't have to pay you.
    Just one reason why I shy away from places like that.

    I have contract you can have, they pay you every 4 months.
    So if you plow March you don't get paid till July.
    And they don't pay you interest on the money either.
    Needless to say I walked away.

    You can have it if you like :nod:
  6. framer1901

    framer1901 Senior Member
    Messages: 852

    "I would use the return address, and subscribe to some nasty gay porn magazines for them. My treat."

    You know, I've had a sorta stressful few weeks - that freaking made my day.

    A long time ago, this guy I worked with got married and was all googly in love, his wife was really nice but just a touch on that just married jealous side. The internet was just starting out and Russian mail order brides were sort of a craze. Some nameless group in the office found a bunch of different Eastern Europe dating sites that actually sent out magazines with pictures and contact information - they all ended up in this guys mailbox and of course the wife gets the mail...... Small office and we all went out drinking together, it got him in hot water for almost a year, the magazines kept coming every month.
  7. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    Ha ha haaa!
  8. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    A few PM's are using online reverse bidding. You can see the address and watch the price go down each day untill the deadline
  9. xtreem3d

    xtreem3d PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,548

    There's some grass around here that's bid that way too .......sad
  10. snoway63

    snoway63 Senior Member
    Messages: 344

    i had the same thing here on Long Island my price was three times what they wanted to pay good luck I said, here in NY Suffolk county its expensive to work plus the higher insurance,
  11. jbell36

    jbell36 Senior Member
    from Kansas
    Messages: 222

    we received a bid last week that was very similar…first time anyone has ever sent ME a bid on what the pricing will be…
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2013

    Messages: 62

    Lmfao i'm dying lol
  13. tuney443

    tuney443 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,847

    I despise ANY type of ''management'' type company.They will manage to screw things up,manage you to get aggravated,and manage for you to wait forever to get paid-----or NOT!!!!AND---they get paid for this????This company Fernadino or something keeps calling me well after business hours to bid the Lowes and Walgreens by me.Now here it is mid November,today actually kicks off the unofficial plow/salt season for us and their clients still don't have contracts.I told the lady sure I'd bid for all 3 locations---directly with the client ONLY!!!
  14. northernsweeper

    northernsweeper Senior Member
    Messages: 397

    Tuney...My sentiments exactly. They emailed me a packet for our local Walgreens. 5,200 for the season, including all salting and walks, and the way the property is laid out, all the snow has to be carried down a single lane, past the prescription drive up, to a lot behind the store. I will not work for them either. They want to manage, let them manage to do it themselves.

    Buswell...Thanks for the laugh!!
  15. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    If you guys could see the Walgreen's compound on Lake Winnie here in NH, you'd never plow for them for under $200 an hour.....they spend money on landscaping every year like we would spend on a new house...
    And the Marriots are far, far more spend happy. I have seen a Marriot drive up, take a look at a recessed (sunken) driveway with beautiful field stone retaining walls, split granite (OLD stuff, not new) steps, $50K in shrubs and lawn....and say "Mmmm...no....no, take it out. I don't like it....send me your ideas for something different." and then get in her $150K Mecedes and drive away..She told them to tear out well over $100K worth of beautiful work..The landscape architect (!!!) just smiled, and watched the $$ signs roll. Everyone got paid, and all the materials were paid for...
  16. procut

    procut Senior Member
    Messages: 903

    I hate to jump on the bandwagon with the anti-management companies here, but some are good and some are bad. I have one I work with that pays fair, aren't too bad with the paperwork and are reasonable to deal with.

    I did a Walgreen's for SMS one year, never again. Wanted A++ service for a about a C- price, endless paperwork / phone calls, and SLOW pay. What a joke.

    I had another management co call a while back. Offered $38.00 for a 1/2 acre gas station. Lady seemed offended when I told her we plow most the other gas stations in town and get 2X-3X that for each of them. Sad thing is she ended up finding someone to do it for that; it's just like come on guys, man up and quit working for peanuts.
  17. derekbroerse

    derekbroerse 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,377

    There is always another sucker. I KNOW a guy who signed up to subcontract for another guy.... for $15/hr plus his gas!! Yes, his own truck and plow... I asked if he was insane and he couldn't understand my astonishment, that's what he makes at work so its a good deal, right?

    So you could hire this guy, and send him to that gas station and still turn a few dollars profit!!! :laughing:
  18. grnstripes

    grnstripes Senior Member
    Messages: 237

    Unless it really wasn't his truck and he was working for a guy and using his truck on the side to make some more cash
    Caught an employee doing that to me a few years ago needles to say he got fired
  19. derekbroerse

    derekbroerse 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,377

    Trust me... its his own truck... I've known the guy since we were 5.... Its the same guy who will take his helper across town to mow and trim ONE lawn for an hour for $20, pay the helper $10 of it, fuel the mower, fuel the trimmer, fuel the truck, maintenance, insurance etc. BUT if you try to explain it to him this way he gets that glazed look over his eyes :confused: and insists he made $20 cash on the job... even though in reality it probably cost him $10 out of pocket to mow that lawn. I gave up ages ago trying to talk business costs with him, but its hard to watch his family struggle sometimes and blame it on bad luck...:(

    My point is, if I know a guy like this, probably everyone knows someone like this... means there are literally millions of people out there that can't understand what their work costs them, all they see is the income half, so they are willing to work for peanuts--and these property managers laugh all the way to the bank.
  20. Flawless440

    Flawless440 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,543

    I turned that shi_ away daily.... I always tell them to try craigslist..

    We drop customers that call the office to much.... Is it wrong? maybe, but life is easier with out them