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Looks like they lost a sweet deal

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by grandview, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    I wonder who came up with the snow total?

    City parks workers will remove snow from DIA parking lots
    City parks workers, not a private contractor, will clear parking lots.
    By Jeffrey Leib
    The Denver Post

    Denver International Airport has ended a contract with a private contractor to clear snow from airport parking lots and is buying about $2 million worth of equipment from the private venture so city employees can perform the work.

    Wednesday, the Denver City Council's Economic Development Committee approved the acquisition of 31 plows and loaders from Snow-Go, the contractor, and Caterpillar Financial, which holds liens on the equipment, said Brian Elms, DIA's assistant director of government affairs.

    The equipment is used to clear snow from about 300 acres of parking lots used by air travelers and airport employees.

    DIA's contract with Snow-Go called for the airport to pay the contractor a base amount of $2.7 million a year and a steep "premium" above that if snow totals exceeded 30 inches for the season or if Snow-Go crews were used for more than 125 hours, said Dan Brown, interim deputy manager of maintenance at DIA.

    The new arrangement, using city employees for the task, will give DIA more flexibility in tailoring the deployment of snow-removal workers to the severity of the storm, Elms said.

    Last week, Denver officials said 25 employees from the city's Parks and Recreation Department will train to do work at the airport over the next six months, including parking lot snow-removal.

    The temporary relocation of workers "saves city positions that might have been subject to layoffs in what is normally a slow time for Parks and Recreation workers," the city said.

    The "seasonal reassignment" of those employees will save that department about $700,000.

    Money DIA will spend on them would have gone to the Snow-Go contract, the city said.
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2009
  2. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,394

    Grandview, wanna move to Denver for a year,lol. Wow a whoppin' 30" of snow. I thought they usually got quite a bit of snow. Half the time you could just use some Buffalo turbine blowers and be done with it.
  3. PPS. inc

    PPS. inc Member
    from Earth
    Messages: 55

    Snows in the MTNS

    All the snow falls as the storm is climbing over the mtns. Denver Metro really doesnt get all that much snow.
  4. iceyman

    iceyman 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,925

  5. cold_and_tired

    cold_and_tired PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,247

    If you click on the link, you will see that the last year to have less than 30" was 1945. The average is more than 60".

    There are years, like last year, when all of the snow fell on the western slope and never reached the plains. Other years it is the other way around.

    That is why you will find very few seasonal contracts around here. Most everything seems to be per push or hourly.

    I have never heard of the contractor, but I do live 60 miles south of there. Just about every city in Colorado is laying off employees. At least someone will have a job this winter.
  6. iceyman

    iceyman 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,925

    ya the reason i just included last year because it said it was recorded at a different site..idk if it was 2 miles or 50 miles away..... they mustve of made a dime
  7. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    Oh yeah, that will be MUCH cheaper (sarcasm included)

    regular hourly wage for normal private workers, $15 to $20/hour plus of course all the taxes that small business's pay (that we all know and love).

    regular hourly wage for public "workers". $20+ / hour plus overtime for anything over 40 hours, outside of 7-3, double overtime on weekends, triple overtime on holidays.
    PLUS killer health benefits (not free)
    PLUS amazing pension benefits

    PLUS within years the equipment will be replaced with totally top of the line and the other stuff sold at auction even though it's barely used. (and some private guy will buy it and use it for years despite not having a dedicated repair facility like the cities do)

    and of course, there's no small business paying taxes.

    Yeah a real win win:mad:

    Soon there will be 100's of "public workers" doing what 30 private guys used to do.
    and doing a much worse job.


    Typically we don't get much snow and DIA is way out in the plains (literally 45 minutes from downtown), but occasionally we get hammered. 2 feet in 24 hours and 40mph winds (esp out there) every 2 or 3 years.
    You have to be prepared for the big one, while rarely using it.
  8. jomama45

    jomama45 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,190

    God Forbid those park & rec employees would face a layoff or furlough like the vast majority of those paying their wages are!

    One more example of disregard for tax payer money. You'd be hard pressed to find any activity that the public sector can do more efficiently than the private.

    And Lone, your post is right on the money. :drinkup:
  9. Pennings Garden

    Pennings Garden Senior Member
    from VA
    Messages: 242

    I think they are nationwide, It's a huge company, I have seen them around here and in CT once in a while
  10. REAPER

    REAPER 2000 Club Member
    from 60050
    Messages: 2,230

    Will be interesting to see if they get a large storm how bad it affects national air travel when the place is closed down due to planes not being able to take off or the lights along the side of the runways were all wiped out.

    When I was still sawing concrete in the mid 90's we did a huge job at Rockford airport here. It was a UPS staging area we did so the landing strips were never affected by our work and operated as normal.

    The guys that plowed them were there 3 days a week all summer long to practice plowing the landing strips and runways and taxi area. They made it into a art and could do a 4500 foot runway 2 times in under ten mins.

    It will be interesting to watch on the news how this works out for em if they get hit hard and no one thought of having practice runs before hand.

    We found out the blue and red lights that line the runways are real important :laughing:
  11. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    WOW...a bunch of new guys plowing with NO experience in airport parking lots. YIKES
  12. Bajak

    Bajak Senior Member
    Messages: 999

    They're getting 6 months of training. Hopefully SNOWPIMP is one of the instructors and everything will be good.
  13. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    6 months???????

    In other words, we don't have any work for these people and we want to keep them on the city payroll (your taxes) so we're going to have them "practice" all summer.


    Can anyone say "make work job"?

    What a joke.
  14. wirenut

    wirenut Senior Member
    from nh
    Messages: 529

    stimulus money....may as well give it to the working slob other wise it goes to bonuses
    for the ones that caused the mess.....
  15. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    Awesome reference to SNOWPIMP! If DIA could find him, they would just need 1 guy to plow the entire airport, give him an hour and a 7.5' plow, and he'd have no problem.
  16. MileHigh

    MileHigh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,827

    30 inches?....yea right.

    Quote from : http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/snowiest-cities.php

    Most major cities in the United States receive some fresh snow in December, January and February. For a dozen cites, the annual snowfall normally adds up to 20 or more inches (50 cm). Denver Colorado gets the most snow with an average of five feet (153 cm) a year.

    Major cities included in these weather rankings are all the cities in the United States with over 440,000 people on July 1, 2006, according to the US Census Bureau's estimates.

    Average annual snowfall for the snowiest major US cities:

    City Inches

    Denver, Colorado 60.3
    Cleveland, Ohio 59.0
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin 47.1
    Boston, Massachusetts 43.3
    Detroit, Michigan 41.9
    Chicago, Illinois 38.2
    New York, New York 28.8
    Columbus, Ohio 28.4
    Indianapolis, Indiana 24.1
    Baltimore, Maryland 21.4
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 21.1
    Kansas City, Missouri 20.0
  17. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    I've actually often wondered that "which cities are the snowiest" miltown representin!
  18. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    But we don't get snow in Denver like those others on the list.
    We get snow, it melts or melts within a day or two usually

    Every few years we get 2 or 3 feet and that sticks around for a while (although sometimes as little as a week).

    It's not the same, I went to college in Cleveland, the snow that falls in November, is still there in March.
  19. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    Pushing around mulch,sand or dirt is ALOT different then plowing snow. :drinkup:
  20. Bajak

    Bajak Senior Member
    Messages: 999

    Here is a picture of one of their training facilities:D
    plow training.jpg
    They will practice with Styrofoam peanuts.:drinkup:

    plow training.jpg