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Looking for Potassium Chloride in bags buy the pallet

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by Lawn Tech LLC., Sep 9, 2008.

  1. Lawn Tech LLC.

    Lawn Tech LLC. Junior Member
    Messages: 22

    Any one know where to get Potassium Chloride in bags that I can buy by the pallet. I am in the St. Louis, MO area.
  2. xtreem3d

    xtreem3d PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,548

    i don't know this for sure but have hard that potassium is approaching $26 per bag, that calcium actually maybe cheaper

    ps..lesco, scotts power equipment?
  3. Lawn Tech LLC.

    Lawn Tech LLC. Junior Member
    Messages: 22


    Lawn Tech LLC
  4. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    try a farm fertilizer place

    the price might be a little better their too
  5. Lawn Tech LLC.

    Lawn Tech LLC. Junior Member
    Messages: 22


  6. laker

    laker Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    check with shawn at heidco.

  7. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,256

    FYI, potassium is pretty much worthless as a de-icer, if you care.

    Has a very high working temp and needs sunlight to be effective.
  8. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    mark you are partialy correct, it is not real effective but far from worthless and it doesnt need sunlight it just seems this way because generally the pavement starts to warm in the sun and the results become visable faster
  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,256

    From the Salt Institute:

    There is yet another reason for the deicing action of these two deicers, heat liberation. As they dissolve, both chemicals liberate heat, which is known as exothermic reaction. A single pound of calcium chloride releases 290 BTU as it dissolves. The other deicers have just the opposite effect. Sodium chloride, for an example, draws 39 BTU from its surroundings as it goes into solution (an endothermic reaction). Potassium chloride requires even more heat (170 BTU), and urea requires 106 BTU.

    From Iowa State University:

    Potassium chloride (KCl) is a naturally-occurring material that is also used as a fertilizer (muriate of potash) and a food salt substitute. Because of its high salt index and the potential to burn foliage and inhibit rooting, its use is relatively limited.

    Potassium chloride (KCl)
    Another chloride, Potassium chloride, is similar to fertilizer products, Don Walker, professor of engineering at the University of Wisconsin-Madison says. “Some people like to promote its use because of the fertilizer aspects of the potassium, which can be beneficial to plants,” he explains. “It comes in a solid material, but it’s a deicer that doesn’t work unless temperatures are in the mid-20’s or higher, and it’s very expensive.”

    So in essence you may be correct that it doesn't really need sunlight, it's going to be pretty worthless without it. It is at the bottom of my list when it comes to de-icing materials because of its very limited potential.
  10. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    great info mark, some of the reasons for its use is its less harmful to concrete, steel siding and grass, some of the jobs we use it on plow perfectly clean all it needs is something to give it a wet look

    we sold a job by selling them the benifets of potash since it was 30 day old concrete and new steel building right up against the lot, it has worked most storms and they have wanted to stay with it for several years now