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keeping track of rates

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by ceaman, Dec 13, 2001.

  1. ceaman

    ceaman Senior Member
    Messages: 372

    I was wondering what all I should keep track of for checking the effectiveness and efficency of my application rates on de icer. I am using Ice Ban. I am currrently looking at air temp, ground temps, desired rate, actual gallons used, and time. any other sugjestions?
  2. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Precipitation amounts and types, and humidity. All deicers have a window of time that they will work in, that window is determined by when the precipitation dilutes the product to the point where it is no longer effective. So you need to keep track of how long that window is open before you reapply.
  3. ceaman

    ceaman Senior Member
    Messages: 372

    Is dino the only one who has any info on this..... i am looking for some sugestions to use as starting points for temperature/ rates. i understand there is a learning curve but why cant anyone give sugestions about how it works for them to help someone learn the curve faster? I know there are some taboo subjects on here that no one will talk about but I have to say I was hoping this wasnt one of them.
    ill take info on any deicer... not just Iceban.
  4. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

  5. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    You might also want to keep this in mind....

    Temp. (F)--------------1 LB. of Salt Melts

    30°---------------------46 lbs. of ice

    25°---------------------14 1/2 lbs. of ice

    20°-----------------------8 1/2 lbs. of ice

    15°-----------------------6 1/2 lbs. of ice

    10°-----------------------5 lbs. of ice

    5°------------------------4 lbs. of ice

    0°------------------------3 1/2 lbs. of ice

    -6°-----------------------3 lbs. of ice
  6. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,257

    Chuck, how are we supposed to measure how much the ice weighs? LOL
  7. ceaman

    ceaman Senior Member
    Messages: 372

    I wondered too but didnt ask..... figured i would get the.
    "You ask a dumb question.... You get a dumb answer." Answer!
  8. BRL

    BRL PlowSite.com - Veteran
    Messages: 1,277

    Exactly. Is there a corresponding chart that says
    1,000 sq. ft. of pavement with 1\8" ice = approximately X pounds,

    1,000 sq. ft. of pavement with 1\4" ice = approximately X pounds


    that would make the other chart's info useful to us?
  9. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    Oh man, you want ME to do the math, LOL.

  10. BRL

    BRL PlowSite.com - Veteran
    Messages: 1,277

    OK let me preface by saying that I've had a couple of looong hard days, so If I'm being dumb here, please smack me.

    I can do the math, I just don't know what formula to do. I think your busting my chops, but I may have written the question unclearly.
    1,000 sq. ft. of 1\8" ice = approximately X pounds of ICE

    Now once I figure that out I can say for example, if I have 1\8" of ice in my 10,000 sq ft lot and the temperature is 25 degrees, if x=116 pounds then I know I'll need about 80 pounds of salt to melt it. Now how do we figure out X to make that Salt Institute chart useful? Or am I missing something here? Otherwise, instead of making that chart, they could just say "as the temperature drops, it takes a whole lot more salt to melt the same amount of ice" and be done with it LOL. Please help me figure out how that chart actually helps me, the poor old plow dude with no snow to plow.

    Disclaimer: I'm dumber than Mark & ceaman?
  11. ceaman

    ceaman Senior Member
    Messages: 372

    I dicided that it never going to snow again anyway so i quit worrying about it...... HAHAHA
  12. BRL

    BRL PlowSite.com - Veteran
    Messages: 1,277

    Yea, but it might snow next year, so I'll keep trying to learn about this stuff.
  13. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    Next year is only a little over a week away. I am confident it will snow next year too.:D
  14. digger242j

    digger242j Senior Member
    Messages: 672

    Well, I'm not mentally prepared to do much math right now either, but I found a website that will do conversions of lots of different stuff. The one for the depth of water (in a square foot) to pounds of water gave this result:

    .02 feet of water calculates to (rounded off) 1.25 lbs.

    .02 would be about 1/4 inch--figure there are 96 1/8s of an inch in one foot (12 x 8=96), so .01 (1/100th) is tolerably close to 1/8. (Right?)

    Therefore, 1/4" of ice on 1000 sq. ft. would weigh roughlyt 1250 lbs. So, 10,000 sq. ft. would be 12,500 lbs. Of course, the density of water is a little different than ice, but this ain't rocket science, at least not the way I'm capable of doing it....