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JUst got off the phone with National Property Mgt. Co...

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by snow4me, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. snow4me

    snow4me Senior Member
    Messages: 127

    They gave me there spiel we have 60 homes in your current snow removal area. We want you to take a picture before and after you plow. We also want a picture of the street sign. They will require sidewalks and walkways to front door. They will also require salting. We pay within one week direct deposit to your bank account. One last thing we pay $20 per property.
  2. 32vld

    32vld Senior Member
    from LI, NY
    Messages: 622

    Did they give you a chance to catch your breath after you got done ROTFALYOA to hear what you had to say or did they just hang up?

    So what did you tell them?
  3. mnlefty

    mnlefty Senior Member
    Messages: 980

    Well there's an easy reason they're shopping midseason... only question is if their first guy went broke and bailed or if they never got anyone dumb enough in the first place. All the documentation eats up the $20/per, never mind the plowing.

    Tell him pay me $20 per picture and you'll do the plowing for free.
  4. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 786

    Wait until you take all the time to email 180 pictures 2 at a time because their email system wont accept messages with attachments over x size. You only think you are losing money on the plowing and pictures.
  5. snow4me

    snow4me Senior Member
    Messages: 127

    I chuckled followed by a long pause....your not serious I asked her.

    She said yes sir I am that is what we are offering and started giving me another sales pitch which I interrupted by saying loudly STOP! I then said we don't plow any property for less than $25 and we certainly do not include shoveling and salt for that price. She then thanked me for my honesty and time and said goodbye.

    I really can't believe the nerve of these people...we've had 40" of snow in Chicago already and they want me to remove frozen crusty old snow stuck to concrete and asphalt with my plow trucks and then apply enough salt to melt what I can't get removed without breaking my plow or truck for $20?

    A 20'x40' residential driveway with that kind of requirement is a $100-$150 job in my book and they are offering $20. Move along please...
  6. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    Never heard of a National doing residentals. Could this be for HOA or condos or something? That kind of documentation is with $20 alone.
  7. framer1901

    framer1901 Senior Member
    Messages: 852

    Who was the company? 20 bucks sounds more like 2nd or 3rd party.

    Safeguard pays 35 per time and if you had nothing else to do, you could probably do well at it. Pics for them aren't to bad, they have an app on your phone that completes everything.

    It's definetly not for everyone, but like I said, if that's all you do, you could do well. Years ago we did 480, yes 480 of them, every 15 days for HUD - full time job for one truck and two guys. We did both lawn and snow at these places.

    At least in Michigan, foreclosure work is no where near what it used to be and IMO and in our area, not worth it.
  8. kg26

    kg26 Senior Member
    Messages: 314

    Brotha, same thing with Task Easy here in Michigan.
  9. Bandit

    Bandit Senior Member
    Messages: 146

    That many Foreclosures in Your Neighborhood ?
  10. framer1901

    framer1901 Senior Member
    Messages: 852

    Back in 05 or 06, there were 14,000 HUD homes in MI. We covered Grand Rapids, Holland, Lansing Kzoo area. There were guys in Detroit area cutting 1500 homes every 15 days, just for HUD.

    Some people misunderstand foreclosed home termonolgy (sp).

    A HUD home is actually owned and marketed by HUD (feds), a HUD gauranteed loan is issued by banks (Chase, GMAC etc..) When you are working for HUD, you are actually working for the contract holder, it used to be one company, now it's four in MI.

    Fannie May is it's own animal and a homeless person pushing a shopping cart might be happy working for them at the current pricing.

    Country Wide (back in the day) / Bank of America (which the foreclosed part is really owned by Safeguard) is it's own being but maintains homes that could become HUD, VA etc....

    MCS, Five Brothers, Core Logic, etc are all management companies that maintain homes for different banks (Wells Fargo, GMAC, Chase, etc..), those homes too could all become HUD, VA etc....

    There are thousands of 3rd party vendors with 10,000 subs that work for MCS type of management companies and that's who you end up working for unless you've been around forever and can deal direct with them.

    That's where the problem lies in that business now - the volumes are way down, you are one of 10,000 which cuts the volume even more and you are at best a 3rd party sub, some even 4th party - everyone is taking a cut and leaving you negative and fighting for your last ten percent.
  11. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,237

    Michigan was in a 10 year recession without the rest of the country. The rest of you caught up in about '08.

    Progressive policies at their best, our socialist Canadian guv did her best to destroy MI, but we managed to hold on. The idiot Repubs in the legislature worked right along side her, helping her.

    Not even sure what the count is now, but there are hundreds of thousands of abandoned homes and buildings in Detroit. They try to demolish at least 10K a year and the arsonists probably double that.

    There's a reason the phrase "The last one out, please turn off the lights" was coined in MI.
  12. Raymond S.

    Raymond S. Senior Member
    Messages: 513

    So did you get the bid... :)