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How Much to Pay A Sub

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by xc23, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. xc23

    xc23 Member
    Messages: 79

    I Am hiring a sub for the first time , and wondering how much to offer him. He is new to plowing so I am giving him my residential drives only . He has a 2004 Chevy 1/2 ext cab with a 71/2 fisher mm2. I am in the central new York area. I am thinking of paying him per hour 2 1/2- 3 hr per event ,I plowed the route last year so I can estimate the time. I am figuring on 22-25 events for the season. Any info would be greatly appriciated.

    THEGOLDPRO PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,136

    50 bucks an hour?
  3. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    He should pay the teacher for his schooling:D

    RBRONKEMA GHTFD 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,592

    So i take it he is brandy new to snow plowing??? If so start him off at 30 a hour. Make sure he is insured too. You don't want to be paying for a garage door and maybe some damage to some cars inside the garage too just in case something should happen.
  5. scottL

    scottL PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,613

    $30 an hour ... that stinks. $50 for a first timer if they seem responsible/
  6. xc23

    xc23 Member
    Messages: 79

    Thanks I think I will go in the middle at 35-40 and see how he works out. Much appreciated
  7. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 9,883

    Sounds like he is an Employee.:confused:

    Be careful come tax time.
    Yours and His....
  8. StratfordPusher

    StratfordPusher Senior Member
    Messages: 960

    What about his fuel

    Hey, you gotta face it, a sub gotta make money or he's not worth having... if he has good equipment and knows what he is doing he will make you good money.... with fuel prices as they are 50.00 an hour is still cheap

    I pay my subs 50.00 per hour plus fuel... they look after me real good...
    and I don't have to worry or check on them....it's worth the extra...

    My 2 cents...


    THEGOLDPRO PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,136

    i'd tell you to pack sand for 35-40 bucks an hour......
  10. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,194

    I'm surprised you can find guys for $50, I've been to Straford before and it's a nice real nice town. Price depends on area and what I would do is sit down with the guy and ask him what he expects to make. It doesn't take long for a good operator to catch on. If the guy can't plow by the third storm, find someone else because he's never going to be any good.
  11. StratfordPusher

    StratfordPusher Senior Member
    Messages: 960

    Stratford is Cheap for subs

    Hi JD, it is a nice city thanks.... with all the plant closings and layoffs in the area it seems like there is a bunch of new grass and snow removal companies popping up every time a plant shuts.... fools, they must think there is money in this... lol

    I have seen written quotes for late model trucks, plows with driver going at 28.00 per hour, single driveways for 15.00 per.... it really makes it hard to charge what the jobs are worth when your dealing with a bunch of newbies and lowballers....

    I can still get good quality subs and equipment for 50.00 per hour..... but believe their true value should be around 65-75 depending on the equipment and the driver...

    I agree, if by the third time out he is not making you happy, drop him and move on....

  12. iakentdoz

    iakentdoz Senior Member
    Messages: 204

    I'm getting 55 per hour and this is my first year as a sub. I was hopping for 65-75 but I know I'll get more next year.
  13. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

    2.5 hours per event. he might get maybe 15 events if hes lucky? (guessing. figure residential isnt zero tolerance)so that is 37.5 total hours? at sixty a hour thats only 2250.00

    your basically covering his insurance and maybe some of his gas. if thats right do him a favor and tell him you wont hire him because your accounts may not even support you paying the sixty a hour and any breakdowns on his truck could eat that up easy. i know i wouldnt sub for that and i have no idea how many plowable storms you guys get or what his insurance rates are, but thats me.
  14. CHCSnowman

    CHCSnowman Senior Member
    from Indiana
    Messages: 138

    I get $65 per hour plus time bonus, usually around $75-80 an hour, per truck and operator payup
  15. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    bribrius, Read the first post again. They get 22 -25 pushes per season. That makes it 3 hrs x 25 pushes x $40 hour = $3000 or at $60/hr = $4,500

    Figure out how many drives per hour he can do (you did last year)
    Figure out how much you make (profit if you were to do it yourself) on those same drives.

    $XX.xx per drive * # of drives per hour - paying sub $XX.xx per hour - your expenses = profit

    When you get a profit you can live with you have the sub hourly rate.

    Then sit down with him and ask him what he expects to get paid. Make it clear to him that he is responsable for the work, insurance, gas, repairs, etc.
  16. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 9,883

    He is a sub"contractor"
    Why do you care about his profit margin?

    Do you think that is all he can do?
    He is a contractor TOO.
    He (the sub"contractor") could have many more accounts you know nothing about.

    He is a sub-"contractor" not an employee...... or is he?

    I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions on this board.
    Allot of members think they are hiring a sub when they are hiring an employee.
    A sub Is an independent contractor that works for the general contractor..
    He has his own business

    not a employee
  17. HBLandscaping

    HBLandscaping Member
    Messages: 63

    Up until 2 yrs ago I work as a sub for a couple different companies and I was paid $75 & $80 per hour plus one of the companies would give me $50 for gas to fill -up before the storm. My time started from the time the boss called and said to head out until the time I pulled back into my driveway, Also all on road time (Travel Time) between sites was included. The last company I worked for also gave each worker an additional $15 per every 8 hours worked for Food/Drinks.
  18. tls22

    tls22 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,264

    I get $90/hr the clock starts running when i leave my driveway, until i pull into my driveway again at the end of the storm. I get a good amount of hours per storm, plus some times the boss is lazy and i go salt for him in one of his trucks. I get 50 hr for that, plus its a tailgate spreader so it take time to fill it up. I def found a home for snowplowing for the forcibly future.
  19. Gicon

    Gicon Senior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 989

    I hope you are joking.......a beginner on Residential Driveways?????? They belong in parking lots where no damage can be done.....not in between houses, garages, parked cars, and retaining walls.
  20. fordzilla1155

    fordzilla1155 Senior Member
    Messages: 127

    Ask him what he wants to plow each drive. That way everyone is happy...