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How close is close enough

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself to the Community' started by Tommytwotone, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. Tommytwotone

    Tommytwotone Junior Member
    Messages: 3

    Alright... So i am plowing and a customer comes out when I am finished and says... "Your going to leave all that snow"

    I look and see that only 1/5 or so of the driveway has blacktop showing and the other 4/5ths or more still has a light skimming of snow on it!..

    So my question is, how much if any snow should be left when I am done... should a black top driveway be black or white when finished?

  2. thesnowman269

    thesnowman269 Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    tell her not to drive on her driveway when its coverd in snow or you will not be able to scrap it off down to the pavement. Of coarse say it in a nice way.
  3. Tommytwotone

    Tommytwotone Junior Member
    Messages: 3


    funny thing is, she hadn't driven on it yet... I kind of think I might have messed up... do you usually get it down to the black top
  4. Mark13

    Mark13 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,794

    It all depends on how packed down it is. If your able to push it before it is ever driven on it will look much nicer then if a half dozen cars have driven on it and packed it down. Then all you can do is wait for the sun to come out if they don't want salt. Unless your running a snoway with down pressure, but I've never used one to see how well they scrape up packed snow from cars.

    Edit, you'll never get it 100% pavement like it never snowed unless your using a rotary broom like on a bobcat. Plows or snow blowers won't get all the snow out of the rough texture of the driveway, it will just skim the top.
  5. MattR

    MattR Senior Member
    Messages: 218

    Sounds like a nit-picky customer, yet a great chance to sell salting services too.

  6. thesnowman269

    thesnowman269 Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    my driveway are never black until the snow comes out. On the other hand I find its easier to scrap a cement driveway clean. I like cement driveways alot better then blacktop
  7. WNYSeasonalSvs.

    WNYSeasonalSvs. Junior Member
    from WNY
    Messages: 29

    Shoes? If ya got em, take them off.
    Depends on the snow type. How much are you leaving behind (depth).
  8. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    First - I presume you don't have shoes, because some of it is bare...

    It's generally impossible to get it all off. Usually the driveway has some crown to it, and your plow edge is straight. Or at least it should be:D

    A little sun on the blacktop and it will melt right off...
  9. JCE

    JCE Member
    Messages: 34

    I'm using a brand new SnowWay with down pressure and if the drive has been driven over, I still only get about 50-60% down to the blacktop. It's better than without down pressure, but not perfect. I find it works much better if I set the blade at the end of the drive, push the snow up the drive, then lift the plow over the mound and back drag. Otherwise it's my own truck that's packing it down.....
  10. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    Save all backdragging for last. Clear as much as you can going forward first. Get a better job, less chance of getting in trouble if it's a hilly drive....

    WOWPLOW Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    WOW great input

    Typically I back drag first, but this makes perfect sense. I have been packing the snow down on my way up the drive, which is causing me some issue!

    When I push all of the snow up the drive, where do I put it? typically I have been putting the snow at the end of driveways.

    I think I will sell her on salting, I want her return business (even if she is picky) my goal is to satisfy customers not piss them off.

    It sounds as if a snowway plow would have been a better option than my western, although I love my western it is perfect in almost every way.

    Thanks again guys
  12. JCE

    JCE Member
    Messages: 34

    Push up the drive to about 4 or 5 feet from the garage. Lift the plow, move forward to the door (don't hit it:nono:) then put the plow back down and backdrag your pile back to the street. Then pile off to the side or where ever (but don't pile in the street:nono:) I back drag into the street, then push to the side, then pile in thier yard between curb and sidewalk. Hope that helps!
  13. larrylaverne

    larrylaverne Member
    from ill.
    Messages: 46

    ok, she did not drive on it this time, but was it packed from a previous cleaning and now you get fresh snow on top of it? what condition is the blacktop in, rutted broken up etc.? if you get 2 or so inches of snow on an already bare pavement it should clean down to bare pavement
  14. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,236

    Or get a back blade and the heck with all this crap.

    So what happens when you have 6" of snow and you push within 4-5' of the door? You're going to have a mountain of snow that will get pushed closer to the door?

    Call me old fashioned, but all this backdragging garbage is for the birds if you're doing resi's. Get a back blade and increase your productivity by 50%.
  15. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    I was wondering who was going to ask that. Mark to the rescue!wesport

    MOWBIZZ Senior Member
    Messages: 500

    I always back drag from the garage first, then back in and push it out...never a problem or a complaint. Most people will ":deal" with a couple of packed down tire tracks...if they're THAT anal about it, see ya later!!
    Pushing a good amount of snow up to the garage doors to save a couple of tire tracks is more troubling than the tracks themselves...in my opinion :drinkup:
  17. JCE

    JCE Member
    Messages: 34

    I just did a few resi's on this last storm....about 9-10 inches....can someone say "get a feel for how much you have in front of the blade"?:). As there is more snow, you stop a little shorter. As for a backblade, I'd love to have one and I agree it's probably the best way of doing resi's, but most of my stuff is commercial (which brings up a question since I really dont know). Can you have a backblade AND a spreader? I've not researched backblades, so I don't know how they mount to the truck.......
  18. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    Never get then clean to blacktop unless you use salt or pre treat.
    Good chance for you to sell more services or get rid of a PITA
  19. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,236

    Can you say "you're advising a newbie on how to bury a garage door?"

    The OP was asking about tire tracks and hardpack, do you think he knows how to determine how much snow he has in front of him? No slam to the OP, just basing it on the fact he is new to the game.
  20. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    There, I fixed it. You had an extra R in there. You must be using all the R's I don't:laughing: