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Help with bid

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by tacovic, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. tacovic

    tacovic Member
    Messages: 82


    I am able to plow the high pointe medical lot as well as the dentist office that is connected. I will have 1 truck with a boss V and 1 shoveler/salter. It will take me quite a bit of time to do this but these will be my only accounts.

    I am brand new to plowing but do lawn mowing and landscaping in the summer. I am a very quick learner and have no doubt I can figure it out quickly. I am lucky enough to have a family member who owns a multi million dollar snow operation. He is giving me this property to take care of as well as giving me a great deal on a new plow and lighting.

    Ive got 2 options. Either work for 65/hr for plow and 30/hr for walks, or a flat rate depending on the amount of the snow. He estimated the flat rate based on 5 hrs of plowing and 5 1/2 hrs shoveling/salting.

    Is this a fair price for these properties? Should I opt for the hourly rate or the flat rate? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
  2. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    5 hrs to plow? I think he might be under the cow and milking it.
  3. tacovic

    tacovic Member
    Messages: 82

    Well id rather have him over estimate than underestimate the time it takes.
  4. South Seneca

    South Seneca Senior Member
    Messages: 474

    If his business is that big, I'd go with what he has been doing with that account.

    The remaining question is how long did it take him, and what are you paying the shovel man. If it takes 5 1/2 hours to shovel, it's time to buy a commercial grade blower.
  5. tacovic

    tacovic Member
    Messages: 82

    I have no clue how he thinks itll take 5 1/2 hrs for walks. I estimate shoveling/blowing/salting would take less time then me plowing. I will be paying my helper 12-15/hr. so i will be adding about 15$ to my hourly plow rate. Thats not including what I can make for salting the lot.
  6. Plowtoy

    Plowtoy Senior Member
    Messages: 929

    Well, I would go with the hourly rate if I were new to plowing. If he pays you a flat rate, you may run into a situation of plowing in circles (being on the lot all day/night) during a storm. If he bid it per storm, he will only want to pay you once. If he bid it per push, it may work out for both of you because you can re-bill once you start over.
    I wasn't able to open your map, but 5 and a half hours seems like a pretty big lot for 1 truck. You may want to think about a push box of some sort, or at very least, a set of wings for your plow.
  7. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609


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  8. Wayne Volz

    Wayne Volz Senior Member
    Messages: 694

    Bidding help

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  9. sullysallseason

    sullysallseason Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    I know that lot very well, a friend of mine plowed it a few years ago. I just called him and he looked up his time sheets and told me it took him around 3.5hrs to plow with one truck equipped with an 8'2" Boss V-Plow and 2.25-2.75hrs to blow and salt walks with a 16" Toro Snow Pup and a walk behind spreader for salt. Hope this helps...PS Who is your family member? JW as I know alot of guys in the metro area
  10. crazyboy

    crazyboy Senior Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 370

    IMHO your budgeting too much time and not charging enough.
  11. tacovic

    tacovic Member
    Messages: 82

    Wow that helps out a ton. Thanks a bunch! I am located in Woodbury, mn and am always looking for reliable guys to network with. Shoot me an email at sexelawncare@gmail.com ( yes that is the name of my business) and we can talk.
  12. phillie

    phillie Member
    from indy
    Messages: 97

  13. tacovic

    tacovic Member
    Messages: 82