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Help! 9'-6" Western V

CENLO

Member
Location
Northern Ontario
I have a 9'-6" Western V (4 years old). Has been working fine.........just drove to my camp and it won't scoop. It will go up and down but the wings won't move....any ideas? Of course it's Sat at 7:00pm with a storm coming Sun! I can hear the pump squeal when I try to scoop.

Thanks in advance, Don
 

NootDogg

Senior Member
Location
WI
You have screens in the pump itself that are probably clogged. You need to take them out and blow them out and put them back in. You will probably have to do it two or three times.
 

B&B

PlowSite Fanatic
CENLO;518618 said:
I have a 9'-6" Western V (4 years old). It will go up and down but the wings won't move....any ideas? I can hear the pump squeal when I try to scoop.

Thanks in advance, Don
Only when the scoop button is pressed?

What if you operate the wings separately what exactly does each wing do?
 
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CENLO

CENLO

Member
Location
Northern Ontario
NootDogg;518679 said:
You have screens in the pump itself that are probably clogged. You need to take them out and blow them out and put them back in. You will probably have to do it two or three times.
How do I go about doing this? Is there only one pump on the unit?
 

Philbilly2

PlowSite Fanatic
Location
Sandwich IL
2nd B&B on that if it is going up and down, the screen is probley not the cause as the oil has to get to the pump to go up and down too.
 

B&B

PlowSite Fanatic
CENLO;518913 said:
But I can here the solenoid....and the motor
The pump running doesn't mean a thing as far as the controller being bad. The controller has to send out at least two signals to move anything on the plow.. and as many as 4 (scoop for example takes 4 separate control signals). You can run the pump but not be opening any valves/coils which will give you zero movement or loss of specific functions, like wing functions for example.
 

merrimacmill

PlowSite.com Addict
Location
MA
I had a similar problem with a fisher straight (which has western parts on it). It would go down and up but not angle. I could hear the motor go on as well, but nothing would happen. So I pulled off the coils and then took out the cartridges and in one of the little holes on the side of the cartridge there was a metal shaving in there. I pulled out the metal shaving and herd the cartridge click. I re-installed everything and it all worked perfectly. Just a thought, hope it helps.

Collin
 
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CENLO

CENLO

Member
Location
Northern Ontario
Are the valves and coils the same thing....do I have to completely rip apart the pump to access them?

thanks again for all the info
 

B&B

PlowSite Fanatic
merrimacmill;518916 said:
I had a similar problem with a fisher straight
Collin
Not likely the same problem on a V.

These V's have 6 valves and coil assemblies in them, in two separate manifolds to control the functions. The valves are identified as S1 thru S6. You said it will raise and lower fine. For it to do that the S1 S2 and S3 valve have to be working. To operate the wings, they also use the S1 thru S3 valves in addition to the other 3 valves. For it to only clog or restrict the S4, 5 and 6 valve but leave the S1,2 and 3 operating fine is highly unlikely.


Don, what position is the right wing in now?

I'd bet it's in the fully retracted position correct? If so, that's because the pump uses none of the valves to retract the right wing. Simply running the pump, retracts the right wing.

The only other possibility to these symptom's is the small power wire (red wire) is broken between the primary and secondary manifold that the S4 thru S6 valves/coils are in. Never seen it happen though...but the controllers die quite often.
 
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CENLO

CENLO

Member
Location
Northern Ontario
B&B;518919 said:
Not likely the same problem on a V.

These V's have 6 valves and coil assemblies in them, in two separate manifolds to control the functions. The valves are identified as S1 thru S6. You said it will raise and lower fine. For it to do that the S1 S2 and S3 valve have to be working. To operate the wings, they also use the S1 thru S3 valves in addition to the other 3 valves. For it to only clog or restrict the S4, 5 and 6 valve but leave the S1,2 and 3 operating fine is highly unlikely.


Don, what position is the right wing in now?

I'd bet it's in the fully retracted position correct? If so, that's because the pump uses none of the valves to retract the right wing. Simply running the pump, retracts the right wing.

The only other possibility to these symptom's is the small power wire (red wire) is broken between the primary and secondary manifold that the S4 thru S6 valves/coils are in. Never seen it happen though...but the controllers die quite often.
The right wing is fully retracted....the unit is in the vee position. Could it be a controller fuse?
 

B&B

PlowSite Fanatic
CENLO;518925 said:
Could it be a controller fuse?
Sure, it could be one of the internal fuses inside the controller. They use two internal fuses. You can pull the controller apart and check the fuses on the circuit board for continuity with a DVOM tester.
 
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CENLO

CENLO

Member
Location
Northern Ontario
B&B;518929 said:
Sure, it could be one of the internal fuses inside the controller. They use two internal fuses. You can pull the controller apart and check the fuses on the circuit board for continuity with a DVOM tester.
I just dropped my plow off in a heated area.....I took apart the controller and ........naturally the fuses are the size of an ant! Do they just pull out.....and would anyone but Western sell a fuse like that?
 
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CENLO

CENLO

Member
Location
Northern Ontario
Just came from the heated garage and the plow is working fine! Any ideas on what would have froze? Could the oil have moisture in it?

Thanks, Don
 

B&B

PlowSite Fanatic
Water will freeze even if it's in hydraulic fluid..for it to only affect the wings it would have to have froze only in the secondary manifold...rather odd but anything's possible.

Electrical problem is still a possibility as well...
 
I'd still lean towards an electrical issue. You had the controller apart... Possibly a loose wire or bad connection. Not exactly unheard of with the western handheld controllers. I'm thinking the heated garage issues is just a coincidence.
 
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