Has anyone ever sub-contracted w/ Brickman?

ProGradeSnw&Ice

Junior Member
Location
Dayton, OH
I have been plowing for the landscaping company that I am employed with year round as well as some of my own side jobs. I now own 2 trucks and am trying to take on more work for this season. Through a friend of a friend I may have an opportunity to sub-contract to Brickman. However, they would want a full-time commitment and probably from both trucks which leaves me to either:

  • Take season off from my current employer
  • Pay a couple guys to drive my trucks for Brickman while I plow for my current employer in one of his trucks
  • Turn down Brickman all together
  • Find a solution somewhere in the middle
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Any suggestions? I have heard of people making a lot of $$ sub-ing to Brickman but have also heard rumors of them f***ing their contractors over. And ditching my current employer would also probably be unethical. I feel most people will say not to take on so much at once, but I see a big opportunity and know I will be kicking myself later on if I let it go.

Either way I am not losing existing money, just potential profit as I see it. I also failed to mention I have commercial insurance on both trucks that I want to make sure gets put to the most potential use.

James :confused: :dizzy:
 

Superior L & L

PlowSite Veteran
Location
MI
We have worked for a local branch of Brickman and I can say they where quit good to work for. The pay was comparable to most other sub contract opertunitys and they were full service monthly contracts. Checks came in the mail month and on time as promised.
I here that everyone's experience with them is different based on the branch you work for. If we were offered work with them again I'm sure we would take it.

Now if you are talki g about Brickman facility services I would run the other way. All I've heard is low pay and typical national service provider bull !
 

Maclawnco

Banned
Location
OH
in Dayton, you can do much better than what they offer you. There are two other larger outfits I know first hand offering 50% more per hour than the brown clowns. They were talking $65 per hour for a pickup. Im telling you its better to sell your trucks now than plow for that little.
 
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ProGradeSnw&Ice

ProGradeSnw&Ice

Junior Member
Location
Dayton, OH
Maclawnco;1505466 said:
in Dayton, you can do much better than what they offer you. There are two other larger outfits I know first hand offering 50% more per hour than the brown clowns. They were talking $65 per hour for a pickup. Im telling you its better to sell your trucks now than plow for that little.

Good to know. Are there any specific companies you would recommend? Where abouts in Ohio are you located?
 

Flawless440

PlowSite.com Addict
Location
Columbus, Ohio
My buddy has plowed for them for years.. started $100 per hour $20 bag of salt.... now he makes $75 per hour . $10 bag salt.. they do pay, and keep him busy.....

I like my per push apartment complexs
 

Hambrick & Co.

PlowSite.com Addict
Location
New Lenox, IL
I have subbed for BFS for the last 4 years. I at first they were horrible with payment 45 - 90 days out during the snow season. Their system was all sorts of jacked up. The least couple of years payment has been a lot quicker for the lawn side its the same time every month. Winter work its about 10-15 days after the storm.

The one down side is you have no control over the accounts. Meaning we had a great account line up with them last year enough to keep 9 trucks busy. We serviced our accounts flawlessly and even picked up several others from other service providers working through brickman which couldnt handle what they had. This year Brickman lost one of their national accounts which in turn means I lost 8 zero tollerance cash cows. If you do work for them don't get comfertable with the accounts you have this year because next year they will most likely be gone.

The point is don't quit your day job for a quick buck. Firgure out a plan to try subing one truck to BFS while keeping your all year round job.
 
We do a good amount of work for bfs. The ivr system is a pita, and if your paperwork isn't in line don't expect to get paid. If you get all of your contracts in and double check that they have your ins cert then your good. Don't count on one company for all of your accounts, if you read their contract they can cancell at any time.
 

jbovara

Junior Member
Working for national company has ups and downs. If you can make margins to pay a guy to drive one of your trucks for a national company then doit. It seams that the national company guys try to target smaller one man opperations and they almost always pay as such,
 
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ProGradeSnw&Ice

ProGradeSnw&Ice

Junior Member
Location
Dayton, OH
Thanks for all the input! I stuck w/ my employer because I felt that was the right thing to do. As for Brickman, I had to turn the opportunity down this year. Instead I picked up a couple more of my own commercial accounts as well as contacted someone else I knew that was looking for sub-contractors and agreed to have my trucks help him out. (His accounts so it doesn't put my ass on the line as bad, when I can't personally be there, and he is also there to oversee what my guys are doing)

I also ended up picking up a third truck to take on the extra work :dizzy:
 

OldSchoolPSD

Senior Member
Location
Maryland
A family member subs from them (equipment only, no plows) and I think he's had to fight to get paid every year. Be ready to wait for your money.
 

Spool it up

Senior Member
Location
Devault Pa
ProGradeSnw&Ice;1505199 said:
I have been plowing for the landscaping company that I am employed with year round as well as some of my own side jobs. I now own 2 trucks and am trying to take on more work for this season. Through a friend of a friend I may have an opportunity to sub-contract to Brickman. However, they would want a full-time commitment and probably from both trucks which leaves me to either:

  • Take season off from my current employer
  • Pay a couple guys to drive my trucks for Brickman while I plow for my current employer in one of his trucks
  • Turn down Brickman all together
  • Find a solution somewhere in the middle
[/LIST]

Any suggestions? I have heard of people making a lot of $$ sub-ing to Brickman but have also heard rumors of them f***ing their contractors over. And ditching my current employer would also probably be unethical. I feel most people will say not to take on so much at once, but I see a big opportunity and know I will be kicking myself later on if I let it go.

Either way I am not losing existing money, just potential profit as I see it. I also failed to mention I have commercial insurance on both trucks that I want to make sure gets put to the most potential use.

James :confused: :dizzy:

90 day pay .

workmans comp

min. 6 million aggregate insurance

bonded $$$

subs /and/or employees willing to wait to june for funds . Unless they less you (aka; payroll)

superfunded attorney

the sharks eat the guppies . are you a shark or a guppie ?
 
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KYsnow

Member
Location
Kentucky
I can't take any more! This is all BS. I have been paid exactly by the terms they tell you up front. No sooner and no later! I've never had a problem with doing their sweeping or snow and ice removal. I can't understand what you guys with problems are having problems with. All I can figure is that a poorly run company will always have problems with most of their customers.

If you have a computer and 1/2 a brain you won't have any problems with Brickman.
 

Spool it up

Senior Member
Location
Devault Pa
diesellandscape;1547177 said:
90 pay?
More Like net 30-45
6mil insurance?
1mil/2mil
Bonded?
Never asked to put up a bond

guessing not all contracts are alike . we bidded on a 45 acre business campus and those were the terms . cant see any corp. as brickman allowing a poser with 2 trucks to cover 45acres . Dont even think about pulling or damaging unseen curb,
you are responsible .

you must be qualified . being bonded and fully insured are major items for that campus . imagine paco and jimmy being awarded said contract & failing to clear said campus in a timely matter w/out heavy equipment ,material tonnage and manpower . that is where their bond satifiys the contract .

do you know anything about being bonded and what it entitles ? are you willing to absorb or put up the coin of those terms listed above ? workmans comp ?

it's big business , not a right to work, affirmative action deal or some 711 lot.
 
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Spool it up

Senior Member
Location
Devault Pa
Spool it up;1547196 said:
guessing not all contracts are alike . we bidded on a 45 acre business campus and those were the terms . cant see any corp. as brickman allowing a poser with 2 trucks to cover 45acres . Dont even think about pulling or damaging unseen curb,
you are responsible .

you must be qualified . being bonded and fully insured are major items for that campus . imagine paco and jimmy being awarded said contract & failing to clear said campus in a timely matter w/out heavy equipment ,material tonnage and manpower . that is where their bond satifiys the contract .

do you know anything about being bonded and what it entitles ? are you willing to absorb or put up the coin of those terms listed above ? workmans comp ?

it's big business , not a right to work, affirmative action deal or some 711 lot.

no reply ? must be eating all that home made Christmas food .wesport
 

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