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Has anyone ever sub-contracted w/ Brickman?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by ProGradeSnw&Ice, Oct 25, 2012.

  1. ProGradeSnw&Ice

    ProGradeSnw&Ice Junior Member
    Messages: 20

    I have been plowing for the landscaping company that I am employed with year round as well as some of my own side jobs. I now own 2 trucks and am trying to take on more work for this season. Through a friend of a friend I may have an opportunity to sub-contract to Brickman. However, they would want a full-time commitment and probably from both trucks which leaves me to either:

    • Take season off from my current employer
    • Pay a couple guys to drive my trucks for Brickman while I plow for my current employer in one of his trucks
    • Turn down Brickman all together
    • Find a solution somewhere in the middle

    Any suggestions? I have heard of people making a lot of $$ sub-ing to Brickman but have also heard rumors of them f***ing their contractors over. And ditching my current employer would also probably be unethical. I feel most people will say not to take on so much at once, but I see a big opportunity and know I will be kicking myself later on if I let it go.

    Either way I am not losing existing money, just potential profit as I see it. I also failed to mention I have commercial insurance on both trucks that I want to make sure gets put to the most potential use.

    James :confused: :dizzy:
  2. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,041

    We have worked for a local branch of Brickman and I can say they where quit good to work for. The pay was comparable to most other sub contract opertunitys and they were full service monthly contracts. Checks came in the mail month and on time as promised.
    I here that everyone's experience with them is different based on the branch you work for. If we were offered work with them again I'm sure we would take it.

    Now if you are talki g about Brickman facility services I would run the other way. All I've heard is low pay and typical national service provider bull !
  3. Maclawnco

    Maclawnco Senior Member
    from OH
    Messages: 695

    in Dayton, you can do much better than what they offer you. There are two other larger outfits I know first hand offering 50% more per hour than the brown clowns. They were talking $65 per hour for a pickup. Im telling you its better to sell your trucks now than plow for that little.
  4. framer1901

    framer1901 Senior Member
    Messages: 852

    They left a bitter taste in my mouth.
  5. ProGradeSnw&Ice

    ProGradeSnw&Ice Junior Member
    Messages: 20

    Good to know. Are there any specific companies you would recommend? Where abouts in Ohio are you located?
  6. MahonLawnCare

    MahonLawnCare Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 852

    I worked for Brickman through BFS (their national company) STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. Flawless440

    Flawless440 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,543

    My buddy has plowed for them for years.. started $100 per hour $20 bag of salt.... now he makes $75 per hour . $10 bag salt.. they do pay, and keep him busy.....

    I like my per push apartment complexs
  8. Hambrick & Co.

    Hambrick & Co. PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,350

    I have subbed for BFS for the last 4 years. I at first they were horrible with payment 45 - 90 days out during the snow season. Their system was all sorts of jacked up. The least couple of years payment has been a lot quicker for the lawn side its the same time every month. Winter work its about 10-15 days after the storm.

    The one down side is you have no control over the accounts. Meaning we had a great account line up with them last year enough to keep 9 trucks busy. We serviced our accounts flawlessly and even picked up several others from other service providers working through brickman which couldnt handle what they had. This year Brickman lost one of their national accounts which in turn means I lost 8 zero tollerance cash cows. If you do work for them don't get comfertable with the accounts you have this year because next year they will most likely be gone.

    The point is don't quit your day job for a quick buck. Firgure out a plan to try subing one truck to BFS while keeping your all year round job.
  9. lilweeds

    lilweeds PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,178

    Local offices are usually good to work for. BFS, not so good.
  10. diesellandscape

    diesellandscape Member
    Messages: 79

    We do a good amount of work for bfs. The ivr system is a pita, and if your paperwork isn't in line don't expect to get paid. If you get all of your contracts in and double check that they have your ins cert then your good. Don't count on one company for all of your accounts, if you read their contract they can cancell at any time.
  11. jbovara

    jbovara Junior Member
    Messages: 24

    Working for national company has ups and downs. If you can make margins to pay a guy to drive one of your trucks for a national company then doit. It seams that the national company guys try to target smaller one man opperations and they almost always pay as such,
  12. baddboygeorge

    baddboygeorge Senior Member
    Messages: 237

    don't waste your time!

    I spent more time chasing my money than plowing , dont waste your time they are a Joke!
  13. RefinedPS

    RefinedPS Senior Member
    Messages: 131

    I totally agree! Stupid thing only works half the time for me, then I get sent to an agent, who sends me back to IVR!
  14. ProGradeSnw&Ice

    ProGradeSnw&Ice Junior Member
    Messages: 20

    Thanks for all the input! I stuck w/ my employer because I felt that was the right thing to do. As for Brickman, I had to turn the opportunity down this year. Instead I picked up a couple more of my own commercial accounts as well as contacted someone else I knew that was looking for sub-contractors and agreed to have my trucks help him out. (His accounts so it doesn't put my ass on the line as bad, when I can't personally be there, and he is also there to oversee what my guys are doing)

    I also ended up picking up a third truck to take on the extra work :dizzy:
  15. OldSchoolPSD

    OldSchoolPSD Senior Member
    Messages: 242

    A family member subs from them (equipment only, no plows) and I think he's had to fight to get paid every year. Be ready to wait for your money.
  16. Spool it up

    Spool it up Senior Member
    Messages: 912

    90 day pay .

    workmans comp

    min. 6 million aggregate insurance

    bonded $$$

    subs /and/or employees willing to wait to june for funds . Unless they less you (aka; payroll)

    superfunded attorney

    the sharks eat the guppies . are you a shark or a guppie ?
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2012
  17. KYsnow

    KYsnow Member
    Messages: 76

    I can't take any more! This is all BS. I have been paid exactly by the terms they tell you up front. No sooner and no later! I've never had a problem with doing their sweeping or snow and ice removal. I can't understand what you guys with problems are having problems with. All I can figure is that a poorly run company will always have problems with most of their customers.

    If you have a computer and 1/2 a brain you won't have any problems with Brickman.
  18. diesellandscape

    diesellandscape Member
    Messages: 79

    90 pay?
    More Like net 30-45
    6mil insurance?
    Never asked to put up a bond
  19. Spool it up

    Spool it up Senior Member
    Messages: 912

    guessing not all contracts are alike . we bidded on a 45 acre business campus and those were the terms . cant see any corp. as brickman allowing a poser with 2 trucks to cover 45acres . Dont even think about pulling or damaging unseen curb,
    you are responsible .

    you must be qualified . being bonded and fully insured are major items for that campus . imagine paco and jimmy being awarded said contract & failing to clear said campus in a timely matter w/out heavy equipment ,material tonnage and manpower . that is where their bond satifiys the contract .

    do you know anything about being bonded and what it entitles ? are you willing to absorb or put up the coin of those terms listed above ? workmans comp ?

    it's big business , not a right to work, affirmative action deal or some 711 lot.
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2012
  20. Spool it up

    Spool it up Senior Member
    Messages: 912

    no reply ? must be eating all that home made Christmas food .wesport