I need to add this thought. Karl's issue as expressed in the other thread had to do with what he preceives as a lack of direct benefit to him for the cost involved. What I think he might be missing is the fact that as Lawn Lad points out, the industry as a whole benefits from the existence of such an organization. The voice of the snow removal industry SIMA provides may not seem like a direct benefit to an individual member, but it potentially has indirect benefits that may far outweigh the direct ones. The dues paying members are bearing the cost associated with providing that voice.Bottom line, as individuals we all benefit if the industry grows and develops and that happens at the individual company level.