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First commercial Properties

Discussion in 'Storm Pictures' started by Dogplow Dodge, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    Hi There.

    Noob to commercial plowing. Been doing residential for a couple years now, and have moved up a little to the commercial arena.. Looking forwards to doing more, although, I do like staying small, so I'm not going crazy looking for big jobs. I'm satisfied with the smaller ones. No residential clients wanted me, due to the lack of depth in the snow itself, so I was glad I had these two commercial properties to do...

    First Impression of commercial plowing: Much easier on the truck ...

    Second Impression: People are the difficulty. :mad:

    Plowing during regular business hours is a real PITA, as no one wants to move out of your way.... or think to let you clear the place first... then pull in. I guess it's just the standard New Jersey Normal.. "human" behavior... if that's what you want to call it. I got so used to plowing in the early am and not having to deal with anyone, I guess I became a little spoiled.:blush2:

    Due to the timing of the snowfall this year, I had no other choice as to when to plow the lot. Ultimately, I made them move, and cleared the lot of snow. Overnight, it turned all to ice and I had to go back and salt the property. Normally, I don't salt because I don't really know how to price it. This 10,000 square foot lot wasn't a tremendous amount of material or time to do (100 lbs of calcium chloride) .... but I'm still not comfortable sending them the bill.

    Hopefully by reading through the other threads, I can come up with the right number.

    Hope you guys made out in the storm. Nice site you have here. Looking forwards to sponging up some tips...and tricks

  2. s. donato

    s. donato Senior Member
    Messages: 314

    Hey T.

    Nice lot you got there. Nice truck too.

    I Love the jersey people too. usually for me they are usually tailgating me in their SUV thinking they can go so much faster if i wasn't there ;-)

    As for pricing out salt - did you figure it out yet?
  3. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    I have a day or two to send him the bill.

    Hopefully by then...

  4. cameo89

    cameo89 Senior Member
    Messages: 669

    daytime plowing is always a pain, I do rite aids, banks, grocery stores, trailer parks ect. there all a pain to do when people are out and about to work, school or anything else they think is more important than waiting an extra minute or 2. do what you can and clean up what you couldn't the next morning or after closing!
  5. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    How did you do with the pricing?

    That whole lot only took two bags of calcium?
  6. njsnowremoval

    njsnowremoval Senior Member
    Messages: 303

    Got any more pics? thats anice setup. rarely do i see those extended dodges
  7. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    (2) 50 lb bags, and it completely covered and melted all the leftover from the night before that I plowed it.

    From the beginning, the owner didn't want any salting or traction additives. He said his handyman would do it. When he couldn't get a hold of his handyman, he called me, as the lot had iced over from the cold night following the plowing. It was a skating rink when I got there, and people were in and out of the businesses, all morning long.

    The sun came out, and the combination of CC and sun dried it up completely.

    I told him that the storm was light, and if it was a different outcome, snow wise, he'd have to pay for a lot more salting and CC..... Salt for the lot, and CC for the walks.

    He was happy that it was just taken care of.... even though he thought $250 was a little much. I really don't care, as I had to travel 1/2 hour, buy CC, Spread the CC and go back home. He's considering providing the CC and salt for the next storms.... We'll see.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2012
  8. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    $250 for plowing and salting or $250 for just the calclium?

    If you charged 250 for just the 2 bags of Calcium, then umm yea you did good, I would have charged $50 to spread two bags, but then again you did have to make a special trip out of it, I would have only added a hundred, but like I said you did what you had to do and got paid.
  9. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    Just to come back and CC the place. I did the plowing the day before and he was billed separately for both days

    I've read quite a few threads here, and they all seem to come up with similar formulas..

    Double the cost for materials (so that would make the CC about $100)

    Charge your labor costs for time and incidentals ($150 for the hour) I spent spreading and picking up the CC to begin with. Took me about 35 minutes to spread the two bags, and I triple layered the areas directly in front of the building.. The building is 1/2 hour from home

    Hence the $250 to make the second trip.
  10. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    Makes sense man Im with ya, I just buy my calcium for $10 a bag (pallet Quantities)
  11. iceyman

    iceyman 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,925

    He should be thanking you its only 250 for a last minute call
  12. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    Check out this page..


    I have to take a few more pix, but just haven't gotten around to it.

    I agree. He's a shrewd businessman, and worth millions.....and you all know how that goes.
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2012
  13. randomb0b123

    randomb0b123 PlowSite.com Addict
    from america
    Messages: 1,278

    more pics/details of the truck man!
  14. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    Here's what I got posted:


    Cummins diesel 160k on it. being the second owner (just broken in)

    Slushbox 518 w/ Trans temp gauge & Deep sump Derale pan with air cooling tubes
    Bone stock Pump (no mods)....yet
    4" diamond eye
    354 rears
    New Joints throughout
    New Front Suspension including 2" leveling springs
    Frame (front to rear) cleaned, chemically de-rusted, primed and painted
    LED Tail lamps (custom made)
    New Electric Take off panel with relays for headlamps & plow lights installed

    Nothing special, as it's just a clean old dodge....
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2012
  15. jhall22guitar

    jhall22guitar PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    It is nice that he might provide the salt/CC. In all honesty I would rather have him do it, as it saves him money, and then if there is any left at the end of the season its his to deal with haha.
  16. randomb0b123

    randomb0b123 PlowSite.com Addict
    from america
    Messages: 1,278

    sounds just like mine, previous owner wasnt familiar with what grease is ive had to change everything but 1 u joint
    . i got the same trans setup with guage and cooling pan, not a very impressive trans but seems to be strong (from what i understand its just a heavy duty tf 727)
    mines in really good shape for the year also it was from arkansas, 108k miles, everyone that saw it became very mad at me when i told them i bought it to plow with but i did same as you did i painted everything so it dosent rust and fluid filmed it and wash it alot.
    what springs did you get and where from? my truck towed a gooseneck alot of its previous life and the springs show. ive been looking around at new ones how do you like the ones you got?
    what year is yours?
    looks great glad im not alone!!
  17. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    There's lots of us....... Well, maybe not lots, but quite a few...

    Check your messages.