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ferrandino and son

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Flawless440, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. Flawless440

    Flawless440 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,543

    Ran into a buddy at the Home and Garden show..

    Said Ferrandino owes 50k from 2 seasons ago.. Been battling them ever since..

    Thought i would share the info for you new guys all excited to take on there B.S
  2. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,870

    Unfortunately there will always be a fresh crop of clowns willing to take the job.
    Hoshiwaa15 and FredG like this.
  3. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,931

    Nothing new there, search threads on this site. They owe us a ton from this past season too.. not that much though.

    Worst part is they pay not only slow, but literally months after their first payment is due, then they start jerking around with every known reason not to pay most of invoices. So when your expecting $20k checks, and they owe $80k already, and you get a check for $256 one week, next week is $3,000 and then another $500.... i mean just punch me in the face, its less of a slap in the face then how they handle their finances.

    They also then just dispute everything months after the season is over, because they're 6 mo past due, then say you didnt' comply, but now the season is over and all services done already.
    IA snoman likes this.
  4. Camden

    Camden PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,604

    I've been using Twitter to send them links to stories like this and they finally blocked me the other week.

    The power of social media is incredible. I'd suggest that anyone who's owed money by these companies to use Facebook and Twitter to get the attention of the businesses you're working for. Post a story right onto their wall or send them a tweet. It'll be read by someone I guarantee it.
    Mistifier and FredG like this.
  5. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,870

    Good thinking Camden!
  6. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    :laughing: Thats the best idea I have heard in sometime.
  7. Mega cab

    Mega cab Member
    Messages: 56

    I also know people who are owed money from plowing Banks for them from two winters ago!
  8. Ramairfreak98ss

    Ramairfreak98ss PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,931

  9. SnoDaddy

    SnoDaddy Senior Member
    from ohio
    Messages: 141

    They handled the Walgreens in our area last year. Some clowns got it and thought they were big time. Must have got paid because the clown has all new stuff.
  10. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    im willing to wager there are two sides to every story . some of these cases could be stuck in litigation over any reason . im not taking sides here . but if your willing to provide/invest thousands of dollars on a contract before seeing a dime , you've found your fool .

    we were called several times last year by prominent snow brokers to bid on properties mid way through the season . there are a few ways to see what their intentions are and business practices, one , by asking for a retainer bond up front before agreeing , signing ,placing any equipment or materials on site .

    if the answer is no , we turn away from them and they'll procede down the line to the next "bigtime" contractor willing to take a chance on getting paid on time or even at all. I don't doubt that a high percentage is corporate sleeze, taking advantage of the working class .

    they figure it would take the same amount of funds they owe you , that it would cost you in litigatation before getting a return , if any .

    we stipulate mandatory payment by day 30 at midnight after last day of service , or the contract is null and void . as a lot of we know here , its a cut throat business , as any are these days. just another case of the sharks eating the guppies. jmo
  11. wbailey244

    wbailey244 Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    they owe every one

    they still owe us 20 grand for borders books in ma they sais they never got paid from 3 yrs ago
  12. Flawless440

    Flawless440 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,543

    Borders is out of business.... That sucks
  13. straightlinelan

    straightlinelan Member
    Messages: 53

    Stuck me for $3500 from the 2013/14 Season for a Party City. Glad I turned down the 2 targets they offered me last season. We should rally as an industry and boycott subbing for these National Service providers. I would love to see what happens and maybe the National Companies would then hire locally.
    Mistifier likes this.
  14. john r

    john r Senior Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 256

    Why plow on their terms? Let them know your terms. The 30 day no pay walk away sounds like a good start.
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2014
    Mistifier likes this.
  15. Jack_Frost

    Jack_Frost Senior Member
    from Montana
    Messages: 117

    Originally Posted by derekslawncare View Post
    This REALLY shouldn't have to be a dream. I know some on here say it will never happen, but it REALLY shouldn't be that difficult. If NO REAL CONTRACTORS will take their accounts, that only leaves the "fly by nights". When they fail miserably and fall on their face mid season like we all know they will, the nationals will have to fire them and get another. Again, no REAL CONTRACTORS take the bait, they get another who can't handle it. A few times in court for slip and falls and a few stores who can't open because their lots are buried and the Targets, Walmart's and everyone who use the NSP's will fire them and go back to hiring on their own. It may take 2-3 seasons, but it WILL HAPPEN as long as we ALL STICK TOGETHER. I mean, what do we have to lose? It looks like most of you are starting to turn down the contracts because they aren't paying enough anyways, so you already aren't servicing the accounts. So why not do it industry wide anyways. IT HAS TO WORK.
    I agree ! we need to expose the run around we all get as well,, we should be posting all the correspondence online ,, and showing a track rec ,,,, as I said before if we all do this and stick together ,, the CEO's will not want to be embarrassed about how the sub's who are providing customer safety are being treated ,, they will have no choice but to side with the contractor ,, not the middle man ,, I really be leave if we all do this the tide will turn in are favor ,, service will be better one on one with store mgr
    Mistifier likes this.
  16. Jack_Frost

    Jack_Frost Senior Member
    from Montana
    Messages: 117

    we have made it are rule if any national provider calls and needs service ,, wel will not do it! with out a C Card , up front and we run it before we go do the work ! we bid very high for being the "go to guy" they cry about it but always call back ,,,, you all should do the same never ever take the work "check is in the mail" we treat em all as if they have bed credit ,,,,,,
    Mistifier likes this.
  17. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,256

    Some of y'all are dumber than Ferrendino's because you continue to work for them.
  18. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,923

    :laughing:.................There is Always a new crop of idiots to work for them.....Everybody sees stars in their eyes because they can plow a Target or Walmart until Ferrit-Dino puts it in there rear......:laughing::laughing:
  19. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    sucks to be your buddy . Fman been in the business of boning contractors for a long long time . seems like he'll never run out of them too. LOL
  20. RS69

    RS69 Member
    Messages: 30

    I can't believe no one has sued them for their bad business practices.
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2014