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Difference between Dodge 7191 and 7197-1

Discussion in 'Fisher Engineering Discussion' started by JFon101231, Sep 23, 2014.

  1. JFon101231

    JFon101231 Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 457

    When I throw a few different options in eMatch it seems to spit out 7191. Looking at the parts-list pdf, it appears they both fit the same applications:

    7191 - Dodge Ram 2500/3500 2010-

    7197-1 - Dodge Ram 2500/3500 gas 2010-
    Dodge Ram 2500/3500 diesel 2010-​

    Am I missing something here? When I look at the 2013-2014 price and spec sheet sent to dealers it says:
    7191 for 2010-up Dodge 2500/3500 and
    7197 for 2013-up 2500/3500 with diesel
    That contradicts Fisher's own 7197 parts list which says it would fit any motor but only 2500 series... :dizzy:
  2. gtmustang00

    gtmustang00 Senior Member
    from Berlin
    Messages: 752

    Not sure, but I just removed a set from a 2012 2500 diesel and ematch says part number 7191.
  3. NHresident

    NHresident Senior Member
    Messages: 304

    I asked a dealer that very same question they said fisher just redesigned the kit So the 97 kit goes on the trk easier IF theres any other reason Id like to hear it also since I've never put on both
  4. JFon101231

    JFon101231 Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 457

    Anyone else with some indepth knowledge of these care to opine?
  5. quesperian

    quesperian Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    7197 and 7197-1 HUGE DIFFERENCES

    Well I'm happy to give exact insight on this one. I was the guinea pig on this venture. Beware of the Fisher website and installation, because they DO NOT show the differences, until you look at the diagrams of both. I had 7197 plates that were for a 2010- present but the fisher site is not updated. So with that in mind you can convert your 7197 to 7197-1 simply by cutting the plates. Let me give you exact cutting requirements. FYI, do not let someone cut your truck, if you have a 2013- present diesel or gas 2500 this is the exact fit. After calling Fisher directly in Maine, the product support specialist called me back and I simply asked for the differences. The differences are a cut into the plates to convert them from 7197 to 7197-1. On the 2013 to current models the intercooler is in the way and without 7197-1 you cannot get around them without cutting your truck. I will be attaching the exact differences sent by fisher engineering. As you will see it has the exact dimensions to cut from the fisher engineering department. I was sold these plates and was completely led astray on them. The private seller swore up and down they will fit. and they will with modification. I am enclosing the modification sent from fisher directly as well as my finished product. I hope to help all of you on this, without doing what I did you'll be spending a ton to buy another set simply for a small cut in the plates themselves. The cut cost me 60.00 bucks. The fit is perfect. Here is the info from fisher. as you'll see from mine, I went down farther and they fit with ease, blasted them with rustoleum and DONE!! No worries with this diagram you'll go from 7197 plow plates to 7197-1. Happy plowing and i hope this helps everyone in the situation. I paid 400 for the 7197 plates, made the cut and just installed them on my 2016 dodge cummins 2500.

    Attached Files:

  6. JFon101231

    JFon101231 Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 457

    Hi there - thanks for responding. Yes you can see the difference in that cut if you look at the parts list for 7197 vs the 7197-1 (though oddly their first revision doesn't have it, but v2 and v3 do).

    But sadly that doesn't address the original question, which was the difference between the 7191 and the 7197-1 (note 91 vs 97). There seems to be alot of conflicting info within Fisher's own documentation regarding those two plates, and it appears there is a cutoff in the mid 2010's which is likely driven by gas/diesel engine, but they've mucked up the listings pretty good and my guess is only eMatch is correct. Looking at the sketches they are significantly different but I haven't gotten around to calling them though I should... then i can post the update here and hopefully they get around to fixing their internal mess.
    Last edited: May 26, 2016
  7. unhcp

    unhcp PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,267

    the real difference is the motor, in 2013 "RAM" changed the cummins engine which lead it to be heavier and more powerful, so fisher redesigned the plates so if you have a 2013 and up ram diesel you have to use the 7197 if you have a gas you can always use the 7191 no matter the year, however if your diesel is before 2013 you can use the 7191 plates, just a word of caution both these plates are a pain to install
  8. NHresident

    NHresident Senior Member
    Messages: 304

    its one of the most confusing set ups out there by fisher
    7191 are for all 2010-2016 gas 2500/3500 AND 2010-2012 diesels trks
    7197 will fit 2010-2016 gas 2500/3500 trks and 2010-13 diesels
    7197-1 will fit 2010 -2016 gas and diesel 2500 and 3500 trks
  9. JFon101231

    JFon101231 Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 457

    Very helpful, thanks!
  10. quesperian

    quesperian Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    Sorry forgot to tell you about 7191 as well

    I wanted to be clear to all of you about 7191, 7197 and 7197-1.

    It did not come from me but Fishers Engineerings number is 207-701-4200 I got this from my dealer buddy and was told its taboo to give this out but hey if it helps go direct!

    7191 states its for my vehicle as well on the paperwork, web and from some dealers. The ematch system states otherwise but ( after speaking with the engineering dept at fisher directly they told me the ematch is not accurate either) . 7191 is for 3500 models only and will not fit on any of the above ( this came directly from Fisher). I thought the same until they started to dig into the measurements of 7197 and 7197-1. 7191 did come up as a match. Fisher engineering stated the data is out of date. It will only fit 3500 and 5500 non diesel engines. There is also reconfiguration of the intercooler which is different from mine 2016 dodge ram 2500 HD Cummins diesel.

    7197- 2010-2013 all diesel and gas will fit.

    7197 and 7197-1 are different plates. you will need to make cuts in the plates to get them to fit. It took 1 day and 60 bucks at a local pipefitters shop to fix this, The template from fisher is below. They told me I was the first to ask for this. I took the template, printed it and took it with the plates to my pipefitter, 1 day later they are done, they fit with ease and look brand new.

    7197 plow plates used cost me 425.
    7197-1 plow plates cost 630.00 with a 10% discount. Why? Because fisher is not producing as much as chevy and ford. Dodge plates are rare and cost a mint. So I searched on ebay, craigslist and google for weeks. Found 7197 plates for 425 , took them home, wire brushed them, shot them with primer, then 2 coats of rustoleum. Result- Brand new plates. Then I ran into issues when I took them to my local mechanic to install them. Even though 7197 stated they matched a 2016 diesel, they did not. So, I called my buddy who works in Rye NH for a local Fisher dealer and he gave me the number to fisher. They were as surprised as I was that they did not fit until i sent pictures. They then realized that their paperwork contradicted itself. So I asked them if they had a set of 7197 and 7197-1 plates in stock, they did, so I asked him to measure the differences and send me the Cad picture. He did. Now I have 7197 plates that were modified to 7197-1 plates, for over 150 less then new ones.

    7197-1 - will fit 2013-2016 for diesel and gas. The template I received and posted will take 7197 plates and turn them into 7197-1 plates with a few cuts in the plates.

    I would love to see if anyone with a newer Dodge 2500 Cummins has a diagram or a few picture of where to mount the wiring, solenoid etc under the hood. I am looking to install mine this weekend and am having a problem trying to locate everything in such a tight spot. Any help would be great.
  11. Tyler Jones

    Tyler Jones Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    BTW, the reason for the mid year change to 7197-1 was because RAM made a change to the forward cab mount, hence the clearance added to the mount. Also, the mount was strengthened to compensate for the material removed. One other subtle difference between 7191 and 7197/7197-1 is that the 7191 has more ground clearance; the 7197 was dropped to gain clearance from the intercooler. eMatch is always the most accurate and up to date, therefore it is the best place to consult for mount application data.