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Did Mass DOT do away with 3/4 and 1 tons?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Oshkosh, Sep 11, 2010.

  1. Oshkosh

    Oshkosh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,655

    I am looking over the newest rate sheet from Mass DOT and the smallest truck listed is 11,000gvw and over....
    Looks like they have done away with most smaller equipment???? Anyone confirm?

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  2. Italiano67

    Italiano67 Senior Member
    Messages: 645

    At least the truck rates seem fair. Over here everything is done for nothing. As long as your working here it doesnt matter if you lose money.:confused:
  3. Oshkosh

    Oshkosh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,655

    I feel your pain

    There is more to that story, They are purchasing more equipment in house and are going to try and limit the hours the contractors get...It will be a mess...
    I understand 100% as I am working for NHDOT now and the pay sucks!!!
    All they can say is you are lucky you are working...That is their attitude.
    I'm like a living wage would be nice...Benefits are nice but they dont pay the bills, put oil in the furnace etc....
    Frustrating as I am making less per hour now than I have made in 20 years..
    Most of the guys work second and third jobs,just to get by. I think things are very tuff all over...
  4. Italiano67

    Italiano67 Senior Member
    Messages: 645

    If they think they can do the work with their own equipment cheaper they better hire some smarter bean counters.
  5. Oshkosh

    Oshkosh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,655

    Common sense is optional...

    It is sad at a government level that it seems no one thinks...
    It has been since the 80's when Mass Highway owned and operated its own fleet of Oshkosh's and Walter snowfighters.
    In over 20 years they have no measureable large equipment left, No garages at the pit level to speak of. No crews,or quarters, just small office trailers and a fuel pump. The largest repair facility was torn down, the land was cleaned up and sold.Sitting on the land is now an office building.
    It will be VERY exspensive for Massachusetts to go backwards and rebuild their fleet.
    Throw in even 25 years ago they had limited privatization...
    Finding qualified operators is getting more and more difficult with each passing year.Even NH is going with all automatics as they cannot find drivers that can shift anymore...Especially down in the southern part of the state.It is a fact nation wide that less and less workers are getting into trucking/the trades and for good reason I may add...
    I almost think it is some sort of power play,an expensive power play just the same.
  6. Mackman

    Mackman PlowSite.com Addict
    from S.E. PA
    Messages: 1,356

    If you ask me their rates suck.
  7. ponderosa

    ponderosa Member
    Messages: 48

    oshkosh please give me a call lets talk about the state plowing 603 398 6000 my name is rick thanks
  8. 02powerstroke

    02powerstroke PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,188

    Figures I wanted to switch to the state this year....
  9. 02powerstroke

    02powerstroke PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,188

    whys that? you get called in like 3 hours before it even starts snowing and stay on for most of the day cleaning up the next day after its over its a tit deal man...
  10. Mackman

    Mackman PlowSite.com Addict
    from S.E. PA
    Messages: 1,356

    Well im talking about their tri axles. rates. 69/hr for hualing. and 117 for a plow. I dont know what penndot is for hauling but penndot is 170/hr for plow and spreader.
  11. Oshkosh

    Oshkosh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,655

    Mas rate for Tri-axle


    The Mass rate for a tri-axle is $153.50 for a combo and add $35 per hour if you have a wing.
    They will try and nickle and dime you on the wing,been there done that........
  12. Mackman

    Mackman PlowSite.com Addict
    from S.E. PA
    Messages: 1,356

    Ok my bad.... Still alittle low but over all not bad. What do you mean by nickle and dime you with a WING??
  13. Kramer

    Kramer Senior Member
    Messages: 386

    my 1 ton dump is 11000 gvw.

    I noticed they're offering more for a skid steer than a smaller sized truck too. I think they said $84 for a skidsteer vs about $80 for the smaller trucks.

    How much work can there be for a skidsteer -- where are they using them--or are they just piling snow in lots somewhere?
  14. Oshkosh

    Oshkosh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,655

    When we had lean winters they would say,well you only had the wing down for six hours of the ten you where in.....Stuff like that....
    Depending on the boss he would say dont use your wing this storm and he would subtract the wing rate......
    From year to year I never knew how the foreman was going to be..After ten years I had enough...
    They where brutal with my Oshkosh...I had one foreman who would call in pickups only and leave my Oshkosh parked as he thought he was saving the state money.That cost him the pit finally...lol M.F! One storm he left me parked for eight hours, when he called I was busy his roads(Rt 128) packed up hard...That was the last storm he was a foreman and the last storm I wasnt first called...He had to look out his office window at my Oshkosh with ice ripper blades on the belly blade sitting all night as he saw his job slipping away...
  15. Oshkosh

    Oshkosh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,655

    After I gave up my own business, the next winter I couldn't handle sitting in the house so I ran a Case skid steer with a blower,clearing sidewalks around our state rotarys.
    Post storm clean up we would do over and under passes with it,anything with a sidewalk...
    This was back in 2002/2003 and it was well over $125 per hour...
    And to think I had sold 4 Bombardier sidewalk machines the year before.lol Its all about timing..
  16. BigLou80

    BigLou80 Senior Member
    Messages: 558

    How do you figure? Around here the DOT has plenty of work it can be doing with the equipment year round, plenty of hot top and other stuff to haul so the trucks will see action year round. The state also does not need to make a profit, and I believe ( but may be wrong) is exempt from fuel taxes as well as exempt from sales tax on all of its purchases

    I always wonder the logic behind "saving money" by privatizing and that applies to a lot more then just snow plowing
  17. Oshkosh

    Oshkosh PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,655

    If they used their equipment year round it maybe justified...
    NH Turnpikes parks their ten wheelers all summer.
    They have 2002's with 50k miles on them ,I've seen their trucks hit the auctions with less than 70k miles on them.
    At $180,000 each I think it would be cheaper for them to contract out their wheeler plowing.
    They are not well maintained either.I know this first hand.
  18. mansf123

    mansf123 Senior Member
    from mass
    Messages: 817

    People use the economy as a way to screw you out of money. I cant tell you how many times ive heard "well your lucky to have a job at all".....That should not give people the right to cut wages or rates. Trucks are not cheap to run neither is insurance. When I looked into putting my 1 ton on with the town the insurance they wanted was going to be so expensive i might barely make a profit. Plus i think my town called the subs in 3 times last year. 5 years ago they would call them out everystorm and the roads looked very good after a snowfall......now its pitiful what the roads look like after a storm.
  19. jomama45

    jomama45 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,190


    You haven't been in business for yourself very long, have you?

    At the very least, I'd guess you don't pay your fair share of taxes with that mindset. :dizzy:
  20. BigLou80

    BigLou80 Senior Member
    Messages: 558

    9 years now, pay plenty of taxes cringe every time I send a check to Boston. Moving to Vermont in a few weeks in an attempt to send fewer checks to Boston

    However if an entity that is exempt from most taxation and does not need to make a profit can't provide a service for less then one who pays too many taxes and must make a profit something is wrong with entity number one. Which we know there is but privatizing is not the answer.

    Look at health care, the insurance companies and the right wing screamed bloody murder that they couldn't compete with a government option it would put them out of business