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Charging for pile of snow in front of driveways?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by spitfire3416, Jan 17, 2016.

  1. spitfire3416

    spitfire3416 Junior Member
    Messages: 13

    If you arrive at the house after the street plows leave those high piles of snow in front do you charge extra for it? I'm only using snow blowers right now so it can be hard to break through. Last year was my first year doing this and there were a few instances were the pile in front of the driveway was 4x higher than the snow in the driveway. I spent more time just breaking through that then the actual driveway.
  2. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,174

    Yes, need to charge using this formula

    H x W x L x D x 4°÷ 3 = _√ and round to nearest 5.00 increment.

    It's the national standards used throughout North America

    SIMA part 38, chapter 17 par 74.
  3. Sawboy

    Sawboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,700

    Unless it's leaves. Pat relocates those free of charge.
  4. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 9,883

    If I'm pLowing the whole drive It's included in my price.
    Then there are times they only need or want the berm cleared.
    The wave down,
    The home owner has had enough.
    They will pay $30 at this point just to have there drive opened up.
  5. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,174

    Someone finally bought that house. Seems like a nice guy so now I only push my snow across the street on to his front lawn.
  6. Randall Ave

    Randall Ave PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,577

    Charge what you think its worth. If there is no snow at curb will you charge less?

    The wave down, was doing a driveway, old lady asked if I could open the end, so I do, she says thanks and goes in house. I was just to darn tired to go bang on her door.
  7. JustJeff

    JustJeff 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,478

    If they're your regular customers that's your responsibility. It should be factored into your bid/contract. You can't just change your services in mid-stream. Everybody who does residential snow knows this is a factor. Most of us just don't worry about it because we're doing it in a truck. It's all in the wording of your contract/agreement. Do you usually wait until the storm's over and do it all at once, or go several times to keep up with the storm. If you go several times, you should know that when you go back for a final cleanup there will be snow left by the city/county plows and it's just part of your job to clean it up.
  8. JMHConstruction

    JMHConstruction PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,722

    When I did residential with the blowers I had 2 house in the same street that the plow wouldn't get to their street until 2 days after the storm (couldn't for the life of me tell you why. Maybe because it was a no outlet street). I had it in the contract that if when I did the final clean up and the city plow hadn't come it was an extra charge to come back out, I think $20 or something. I hated getting that phone call 2 days after I was done and had crap put away to go back out and clear those piles. They were the only houses that I had to go back out for. Everywhere else was already done by the time I got out for final clean up.
  9. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,778

    I don't use square root, the old ladies who flag me down always give me pi...
  10. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,247

    Cherry pi??:nod:
  11. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,778

    Apple....I'm not that cool anymore.lol
  12. theplowmeister

    theplowmeister 2000 Club Member
    from MA
    Messages: 2,617

    The more snow the town plow has to move outa the street (like as in wider streets have bigger burms) should have been factored into the cost (time to blow the drive). so yes people who live on wide streets pay more than people who live on small 2 lane roads. Do you go up to them after and say "but umm the pile was real big" no.
  13. Philbilly2

    Philbilly2 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,765

    You all are absolutely no help... funny as hell... but helpful... no :laughing:
  14. maxwellp

    maxwellp PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,123

    That is the biggest part of the work. If you don't do it and they have to, sooner or later they will not want you to do there driveway. Get a plow. I have driveways I do only because of this. Wide city road and the pile will be 2-3 feet high and wide. Any hand blower would be a job, plow just pushes it out of the way. :)
  15. skorum03

    skorum03 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,994

    In your situation it is tough since you are using blowers. I ask my residential customers at the beginning of the season if they want me to wait until after the street is plowed so they can avoid the return trip charge, and the majority of them want me to wait until the city or county plows come by.
  16. 32vld

    32vld Senior Member
    from LI, NY
    Messages: 622

    Price driveways by the snow fall when using snow blowers is a must.

    A 4" snow fall: When the road gets plowed there will not be much of a plow row to bust through.

    A 24" snow fall. There will be a huge plow row. Though the price to do the job should cover the extra work to open up that driveway.
  17. jonniesmooth

    jonniesmooth Senior Member
    Messages: 296

    You could try to minimize the amount of snow that will be deposited in the driveway, if you are there before the plow. This will take additional time also, so needs to be factored in to your cost.

    But, you could snow blow 2-3 passes in the street up to the curb on the side the plow goes by on, even a pass on the boulevard, so that the snow will "unload" from the plow before getting to the approach.

    Just an idea.
  18. KildonanSnowRem

    KildonanSnowRem Member
    Messages: 92

    I completely disagree. OP just has to factor the windrow into his original quote. If you don't do that, than tough luck... I think monthly is the way to go for resi's, and I run snow blower crews for it.
  19. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge PlowSite Veteran
    from NJ
    Messages: 3,699

    I guess I'm the only ****** who goes back to their customers homes and clears out the apron for free, after the twsp fills it back in ....:eek:

    Oh well.

    If I was using a blower, I would charge though.

    See, around here there's a huge risk of using a snow blower on the street aprons. It's called "junk in the snow".

    Newspapers, hunks of concrete, hunks of blacktop, dead animals. etc... all make their way into the township windrows that wind up in the driveway aprons. If I attempted to use a snow blower on them, I'd wind up keeping the shear pin manufacturers fully employed forever. 50 year old streets full of potholes, people who think that the curb is the place to throw out hunks of concrete, and newspapers that make their way to our homes, even though we don't have a subscription to them..... are enough to make sure you have a bag of pins and a set of wrenches on hand at all times.:rolleyes:

    With my plow, these things aren't an issue.
  20. leigh

    leigh 2000 Club Member
    from CT
    Messages: 2,342

    Oh,you must live in the sewer oops, meant city of Newark?:cry: