Bidding HOA with Several Driveways

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by beastmode5, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. beastmode5

    beastmode5 Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Have plowed individual residential driveways over the last few years and have charged a flat per push fee. I‘ve now been asked to bid a whole community with 40+ driveways and community road. Was usually averaging $35-$45 dollars a driveway. I’m assuming they’d automatically throw my bid out if i try to price each individual drive at $45 and am in and out of a driveway in 5-10 minutes. I was thinking the best way to price this in not a flat rate per driveway but by how long it would take to plow all driveways and roadways and tack on profit with keeping my overhead in mind. Don’t want to sell myself short or eliminate myself in the door. Any feedback would truly be appreciated!
     
  2. Hydromaster

    Hydromaster PlowSite Veteran
    from 406
    Messages: 3,740

    How long is the road ?
    What is the average yearly snowfall ?
    do you need to salt the road ?
    how far apart are the driveways ?
    Do you have to shovel any sidewalks ?
    With all of your expenses included what does it cost you to operate your truck, per-hour?
    And just asking for a friend, but do you have a back up truck ?
     
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    beastmode5

    beastmode5 Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Not too concerned with the road.Yes there will be shoveling involved along with salting. This is a private community so all homes are within seconds from one another. 45” of snowfall avg. I guess my main concern is scaring them away by pricing each driveway at my standard rate. I don’t think that’s possible given that there are so many driveways close to one another. I’m more thinking this will be based on time and what we try to avg. an hour per truck and what we avg. an hour per shoveler. Yes we have back up trucks and plows. Learned this the hard way two seasons ago. Looking for the most common or practical way of pricing the driveways. Thanks!
     
  4. Hydromaster

    Hydromaster PlowSite Veteran
    from 406
    Messages: 3,740

    Right,

    So how many drives can you clear in a hr?
    + shoveling , plowing the road and salt is a commodity.

    it’s all about “time” and how much you need to make an hour to make a profit.

    As I have no idea what your costs are or how much your profit margin is.
    I cannot answer your question without a lot more info. you have the answer.

    A Proficient operator with the right equipment and you’re clearing so many drives an hour, you would probably be charging around $10 - $15 a drive.
     
  5. BossPlow2010

    BossPlow2010 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,853

    You need to be doing drives quicker than 5-10 minutes per drive, and your driveway clearers, aren’t your sidewalk clearers.
    Btw try selling them a seasonal price, not a per push price
     
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    beastmode5

    beastmode5 Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Wow i thought 5-10 minutes on a drive was extremely efficient. Although I’ve seen videos of people finishing driveways in 2-3 minutes. I’m with you on the seasonals!
     
  7. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 33,525

    How long are these driveways that are taking 5-10 minutes?

    If I could charge $35-45 per time I could retire.
     
  8. EWSplow

    EWSplow PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 8,232

    Maybe a layout of the condo community would help.
    Is the snow going off to the side of each driveway, or are you pushing it to another area?
    I've done these in the past and some required all the snow to be pushed down the main drive to be stacked.
    There's been several discussions on this. Maybe do a search.
     
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  9. Luther

    Luther PlowSite Veteran
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    You forgot to ask one of the most important questions when you met with them. How does the potential client want it priced? All inclusive? Seasonal with salt apps billed separately? Per push, per inch, per event? If they've been getting apples and you give them an orange they won't know what to do with it, or how to compare your price with your competitions price.
     
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  10. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 8,835

    We dont ask, we just quote it both ways and let them decide.
     
  11. plow4beer

    plow4beer Senior Member
    Messages: 899

    Depending on what kind of work I’m dealing with, sometimes I don’t give options..it’s my way or get someone else...but I agree with Luther, you need to ask that question regardless.
     
  12. plow4beer

    plow4beer Senior Member
    Messages: 899

    I’ve worked with multiple HOA’s, similar to what your describing. Anymore, I won’t do them unless it’s a seasonal price...I would recommend salt be a per app price or include it in your seasonal price...just depends on the situation.