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Another "need your opinion" thread

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by greenquestlawn, Jan 15, 2003.

  1. greenquestlawn

    greenquestlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 157

    Well talk about a fun day plowing yesterday. Of course we were having a terrible year but it has started snowing. Yesterday we got 3-4" in a little over 2 hours so I headed out to plow (day time). After a complaint from a customer about plowing during the day (I wont go there that was all worked out, it was just the bean counter in the office being cheap) I thought the rest of the day would be fine. Well I stopped to see how my sub contractor was doing and he said that another guy with a plow truck flew in the lot (this is MY account taken from this guy cause of terrible service) the first words out of his mouth were "so do you know something I dont?" My sub asked nicely what he meant then he asked again. So from what I heard the guy stated he had no business being out plowing during the day cause he had been plowing this area since 1977 (and probably walked two miles to school every day...uphill both ways when he was a kid) and thats just not how we (meaning the area we are in) do things around here.:confused:

    This guy HAS been around for a long time and is so cheap its not funny. BUT thats why people still go with him. He is a drunk and everyone seems to know this but I guess he is a functional drunk as MOST of the time he does an acceptable service.

    So I figure he is 1) mad cause my lots looked good and his did not. or 2) mad cause he is so set in his ways that others should follow his lead or feel his wrath.

    So to my question Should I confront him? He had no reason to even be in my lot let alone give my sub crap for plowing.

    Then that leads me to another question, Tom (Pineisland1) brought up a good point to read the "weapons and plowing" thread. Is this guy a crazy drunk that carries a weapon while plowing and is going to put holes in my truck or worse yet me?

    I feel I should tell him he needs to worry about HIS accounts and not mine and to leave my guys alone unless he wants to pay their wages.

    I tell ya NEVER did I think I could get yelled at by another plower for plowing MY accounts at a time He thought was not right.:(
  2. Kent Lawns

    Kent Lawns PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 315


    You are far too professional to engage in dialoge with this ne'erdowell.
  3. wyldman

    wyldman Member
    Messages: 3,265

    I would leave it alone for now.I have had a lot of previous contractors contact me like that,they are just pi$$ed because they lost the account,and wanted to b*itch about it.You'll probably never see him again.

    If he does come around again,I would just ignore him,as it may prevent a confrontation.If he is still bothering you,report it to the proper authorities.I'm sure they'd love to get a drunk off the roads.
  4. LB Landscaping

    LB Landscaping Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 324

    I'd leave it alone for now and let your sub know not to give him the time of day. If it becomes a habit I would definatly have a little conversation with him.
  5. OffRoadPlow

    OffRoadPlow Senior Member
    Messages: 247

    IMO .. You already let it go one time, I would leave it at that if he never shows up again. Now, if he shows up again, contact the proper authorities and take care of it early before it becomes a ritual. If he has the nerve to confront you, he is probably not going to listen to anything you have to say, not worth what the outcome of a confrontation could be. Make sure your sub has a copy of the contract showing that he is supposed to be there and you should be all set. I know I have better things to worry about that if I am going to be harassed while I plow. IMO
    Time = payup
  6. fordman

    fordman Senior Member
    Messages: 327

    I would just leave it unless he comes around again. If he does come around again and your worried about confronting him for personal safety reasons(you said he might have a weapon) I would just call your local police and have them come out and talk to him. He obviously has not business being on a lot you've been contracted to plow and in theory he would be trespassing.
  7. Pelican

    Pelican 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,075

    In this day and age it can be dangerous to confront anyone unknown to you. If he is persistant, you'll need to get the property owner to have him charged with trespassing. I wouldn't get personally involved though, you never know what's going through the guy's head.

    My position is to be prepared for trouble, but don't go looking for it.

    PINEISLAND1 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 664

    I never meant you should be worried about him having a gun, I just meant to make sure you didn't forget yours ! :)

    If the shooting starts be glad you didn't buy poly !

    I certainly would call the cops on him if he ever harrassed my employees again, and maybe you'll get lucky and they will make him blow. If he is an alkie, you may pick up some extra work !
  9. greenquestlawn

    greenquestlawn Senior Member
    Messages: 157

    Yea I dont think he has a weapon but hey you never know.

    Last year when he lost this account he went in to see if they were going with him for the year. They told him no, he would not leave, they called back to the shop forman (huge guy) to escort him out of the building.

    This guy lives right next to this business park so on a daily basis he drives up and down the road to see whats going on. When I first started my lawn care he drove up, first thing he said was that he plowed EVERYTHING in that park and if I want some plowing he would refer anything beyond this area to me.

    Oh he told me last summer he has not changed his prices in 15 years.

    Hopefully he will get arrested or FINALLY retire.

    It just irritates my is all, I feel no need to justify my plowing to him nor will I. I will have my sub call me the next time he stops him.


  10. digger242j

    digger242j Senior Member
    Messages: 672

    A conversation you don't want to be the topic of:

    Hey, Boss!! You'll never believe what I just saw in the parking lot! The new plow guy is having a fistfight with the old plowguy.... :eek:
  11. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    Suggestion - Have your sub call you. Go out there, making sure he is on or near the property and making a nuisance of himself. Tell him "I'd be glad to discuss proper procedures for plowing a lot and maintaning a property with you, if you have time." And "Yes, I do know something you apparently do not - I would be glad to act as a mentor if you'd care to set it up".

    Just make sure he doesn't have a gun.
  12. SnowGodFather

    SnowGodFather Member
    Messages: 330

    What is a...... Oh never mind.

    I agree leave him be, he was just making a comment and had to tell your guy out loud.