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??? about cdl license

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by bullit340, Jan 13, 2014.

  1. bullit340

    bullit340 Member
    from Mass
    Messages: 87

    I know there are a lot of Mass guys here so I am hoping someone might be able to answer this. I know that the weight number is 26k but the rmv site says something about being under 10k for the object being towed. I am kinda confused about this.

    If you are driving a F550 with a gvwr of 19500 and pulling a 12000 gvwr bobcat trailer do you need a cdl license? This gives me a combined gvwr of 31500 but a bobcat weighs like 7,500, which is under the 10k.

    Point being I need a new truck and want a F450 or F550 for plowing etc.. but am I able to tow a landscape and bobcat trailer without a cdl. Both my trailers would put my combined gvwr over the 26k

    I have been told that you do while others tell me its what the curb weight is, and everything in between. Any help is appreciated.
  2. 32vld

    32vld Senior Member
    from LI, NY
    Messages: 622

    I am not a Mass guy though it is not the load of the trailer but the weight of the trailer and it's load can not exceed 10,000 lbs. Then you have to have a class 2 with a trailer endorsement. Which involves a road test with a trailer rated heavy enough.

    Getting that endorsement will still keep you behind the wheel of a straight truck because you will not be legal for a tractor trailer.

    Now if your trailer weight and it's load stays under 10,000 lb then you should be good to go.

    This is what I remember. Someone that is current with law will post what's what for sure.
  3. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,249

    It has nothing to do with actual weight and everything to do with GVWR. What the potential weight your combo can haul.

    The answer to your questions is: Yes.
  4. theplowmeister

    theplowmeister 2000 Club Member
    from MA
    Messages: 2,617

    Mark is correct (I have a CDL) I have a friend (I know hard to boleve) that got pinched for $350 for NOT having a DOT card. He was driving an F350 (GVW over 10,001 Lb) In MA you need a DOT card.
  5. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 786


    You need a Class A to tow a trailer with a GVWR in excess of 10,001 lbs, regardless of whether the combination GVWR is over 26,001.
  6. jrs.landscaping

    jrs.landscaping Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 722


    Trailer over 10k if GCWR exceeds 26k. So an f350 srw can tow a 7 ton trailer and be under cdl.
  7. jhenderson9196

    jhenderson9196 Senior Member
    Messages: 615

    Wrong! Class B = combined over26,001 , trailer under 10,000. Class A= combined over 26,001, trailer over 10,000. Tow a trailer over 10,000lbs but combined GVW under 26,000 no cdl.
  8. mtnbktrek

    mtnbktrek Senior Member
    from NEPA
    Messages: 144

    But this? as long as you are under 26k gvwr you don't need a Cdl. I tow a 16k gooseneck with a f350 (~8k) that's total 24000 correct
  9. jrs.landscaping

    jrs.landscaping Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 722

    Class b covers power units and has nothing to do with combination weight.
  10. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 786

    You are absolutely incorrect, and will have a HUGE fine when you get pulled over

    If you are towing a trailer over 10k lbs, you NEED a CLASS A CDL. jhenderson is correct that if you have a Class B, you can tow a trailer less than 10K lbs, but if your trailer is over 10, you need a class A regardless of combination weight.

    The back of a Class A license says Combination>26,000/Tow>10,000
  11. WIPensFan

    WIPensFan PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,594

    These discussions never go well and usually lead to more confusion. I know how WI works, but I won't pretend to know how any other state works, cause I don't. Not saying the correct info hasn't been posted but, best thing to do is look up your state info on the web.
  12. jrs.landscaping

    jrs.landscaping Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 722

    I've been pulled over with a 7 ton equipment trailer. I was driving out of class, I was allowed to drop the trailer from our 350 drw and haul it back with our 3500 srw. This came from the dot officer, he called it a learning experience about license classes........
  13. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,403


    Anything under 26 combined does NOT need cdl

    You can have a 12k truck and 12k trailer and you do NOT need a CDL

    You can have a 10k truck and 16k and be fine
  14. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT Senior Member
    from Vermont
    Messages: 315

    This all varies by state--hugely. You have to comply for each state you drive in and there are some overarching federal regulations. Vermont is like the wild west with what is allowed--seriously you should fear all landscape rigs in this state.

    As written here GCVW 26,001 and over requires CDL class B at a minimum, Trailers 14,000 and over without bathrooms (RV's) require a CDL A no matter what you are towing it with--you have to register your vehicles for the max GCVW--so for example our one ton is registered for 26,000 so we can legally tow a GVRW of 10K# behind a GVRW 11,400 Chevy 3500HD, but even though 14K would still be under 26K GCVW you can't do it because of the CDL A requirement. We just don't tow behind our International 4700 26K GVRW
  15. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 786

    Have you ever been pulled over by the DOT?
  16. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,403

    Nope were all legal

    If someone can show me where it says we need cdl I'll eat my words. But the fact of the matter is you Dont. Says right in the handbook
  17. Bison

    Bison Member
    Messages: 60

  18. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,403

    There's only one state that requires a cdl for a trailer over 10k. Which state it is is slipping my mind

  19. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,403

    Says right on the page that you Dont unless you have a truck over 26000 over with a trailer in excess of 10k
  20. Bison

    Bison Member
    Messages: 60

    On the B license it says " Towing a vehicle NOT in excess of 10000 lbs " . If you can't tow it with a B you must need an A . Thats the way I'm reading it.