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A few questions for a 10 acre lot.

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Bossman 92, Aug 10, 2010.

  1. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    Here's the deal, I was asked to bid a rather large property (for us) and I am not sure the best way to do it or how long it will take, for that matter.

    The main lot is 1200' long by 300' wide. There is another 2 acres broken up around the property that can be pushed to the outsides without a problem. The problem is that there are stores on 3 sides of the lot and a road on the 4th.

    I am really limited on where I can put the snow, but there is one large space about 900' down the lot on one side. The lot is wide open except for a hand full of light poles. I could stack snow at another location (in the middle of the lot) if we had too, but would rather not.

    Also I am torn on what to charge for this type of lot. Given the layout of this property there aren't many contractors around here who can handle it.

    I know alot of you guys on here do these types of lots all day long, so I was hoping for a little insight on weither we could handle this with a couple trucks and a skid or not.

    Thanks, Bossman
  2. Mick76

    Mick76 2000 Club Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 2,157


    at a min I would get one loader in there with a 14-16 pusher.... what are their specs? zero tolerance? how often do they want it plowed? Is it a 24 hour operation? more details please............
  3. forestfireguy

    forestfireguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,276

    I agree with Mick, gotta have a loader for pushes like that. Not alot of trucks out there could push that far without getting sideways or bogged. Have the truck(s) windrow snow in sections for the loader to carry away. Good questions too, hours and expectations are huge considerations. Will you be salting? Up to you or on call? Good drainage of the lot? Traffic? What kind of snow do you ussually see there?
  4. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    I read over it twice and still left things out :laughing:

    Has to be done by 630 am and last place closes at 9pm.

    Lot has a ton of traffic.

    Not zero tolorance, but we plow at 1.5" and salt as we feel needed.

    The lot drains fine,

    The last guys used trucks and piled it everywhere.

    Our snows vary from wet slop to semi dry power later in the season. Our average snow is only a few inches, but last year we had several monster storms.

    What does somthing like this price for a year? I don't own a loader, but could lease one if the money was right.

    Thanks Bossman
  5. Mick76

    Mick76 2000 Club Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 2,157

    pm sent........
  6. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    Thanks Mick, I'll check it right now.

  7. erkoehler

    erkoehler PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,279

    Isn't it nerve racking bidding those first few "big" accounts! I'm going through it now and it is TOUGH.
  8. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    Tell me about it! I have several 3-5 acre accounts now, but when you jump to 8+ acres, it's a different ball game.

    Good luck Bossman
  9. tman3007

    tman3007 Senior Member
    Messages: 147

    Sounds like Mick and Forestfireguy have got you going in the right direction with the right questions. Best of luck to ya, sounds like a great account.

    Just my .02 cents...we had a very large 24 hour account where the "entire" lot had drainage to the center of the lot. We were fortunate to be able to handle the account on most storms very easily with 2 diesel trucks and a skid. We stacked a decent amount of the snow right near the two large drains in the center of the lot. It always looked tight and neat. We would schedule a dump truck to meet us on site within 24 hours to help haul away the snow and be ready for the next event.

    Never had a big loader on the site...would've been nice at times for sure but it can be done. There were plenty of landscape islands around the lot also that we designated for smaller stacking areas if needed which helped our cause on bigger events. Plus they were towards the back areas of the lot and designated more for employee parking.

    Anyways, best of luck.
  10. Longae29

    Longae29 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,953

    I would be willing to give you my take if you want to pm me an address. I currently have several properties of that size on my desk for bidding.
  11. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771

    PM sent!

    Thanks, Longae29

  12. redman6565

    redman6565 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,411

    how big are you right now? you start to jump to lot sizes like that and you need to have quality, dependable people working for you that you can count on, night and night out.
  13. Bossman 92

    Bossman 92 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,771


    Right now it's myself, my dad (very dependable and has plowed for me the last 3 years without a problem) a good buddy of mine (dependable, he owns a fishing camp in CA during the summer and just hunts during the winter, plowed for me the last 2 years) Another buddy of mine (dependable, loves the job, works a very flexable job, and has plowed for me for the last 4 years). I have a buddy (ownes a sandblasting shop) who is wanting to plow this winter. He has 3 trucks and already agreed to put plows on as many trucks as we need this winter.

    I have a good relationship with our local rental company, and I get top priority when renting machines during the winter months. I have a great bank I deal with that already knows we may be adding more equipment this fall and has already pre approved me.

    I am going to be looking for another driver (a must) for this winter, and I am trying to set up a sidewalk crew for this winter. The sidewalk guy as of now only has about 4 hours of work per storm, but his help will be a must.

    I'll have no problem hireing more guys for work, there just has to ba a need.

    What do you think? Bossman
  14. Brant'sLawnCare

    Brant'sLawnCare PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,756

    How much other work do you have? I try and schedule my trucks around 6 hours of plowing for a smaller storm. That way, if something breaks, we aren't way behind. Sounds like you have a pretty good crew though... I know I couldn't handle something that big this winter.
  15. redman6565

    redman6565 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,411

    that's good. you have a solid backbone. i just forewarn guys that jump to bigger lots that you need to have quality guys to lean on to handle lots like that or else you'll go nuts by mid-december.
  16. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,194

    Sounds like you have it all figured out. Good luck.
  17. forestfireguy

    forestfireguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,276

    Leasing a loader is a big nut for a season if this isn't a seasonal account with gauranteed revenue, for big sites like this that we get, if all of our equipment is otherwise commited we always find a sub to pay hourly. This way if you have a light winter you're not out 10-12K for a loader rental. Just a thought!