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$25,000 for This - see pic

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by MatthewG, Sep 24, 2014.

  1. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    I am grateful for the call and the opportunity.....

    This is a seasonal, offered at $25,000

    It is about 11.5 acres, average snowfall is 30" which is about 8 plowings and 12 saltings (on a good average year)

    I was thinking a lot more, but I am welcome for your negative comments since I feel like I price things high.

    Shopping center, food store gas station, Hospital Dr Office, Dollar stores, strip mall, etc. Lots of islands,shopping carts etc.

  2. ponyboy

    ponyboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,104

    I would walk not enough money
  3. ponyboy

    ponyboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,104

    Sorry is that salt included if so walk
    If salt is extra I would consider
  4. abbe

    abbe Senior Member
    from RI
    Messages: 718

    Seems low even with your low average snow. That is a lot of pavement to be responsible for. Renting a loader for the season? Sub contracting a piece of heavy equipment in there?
  5. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    Salt Included, bulk and sidewalk, although not many sidewalks, as they are covered by the building canopy
  6. ponyboy

    ponyboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,104

    Unless you are light on plowing seems like a lot if work
    If you can Handel it with and need it go for it but I say pass
    I would be closer to $40 in my area
  7. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,247

    Look at it this way
    8 plows at $2000 each is $16,000. sounds like plenty. That leaves $9000. for 12 salts and I am thinking 8 of the salts will be done while your out plowing. Those numbers look good to me, the question is do have the extra equipment to use or have to rent.
  8. ponyboy

    ponyboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,104

    Add up salt cost this year and calcium for walks
    Time to go back after cars are gone don't think for the time it will take with the machinery it sounds at low end
  9. mike6256

    mike6256 Senior Member
    Messages: 286

    I looked at this last year and walked. Little to low for me but I like you seem to price little higher.... If you take it I may have one truck for you.
  10. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,400

    I already told the customer Id pass, even before I posted this thread. He did ask where I would be, honestly double would be better maybe 40K, its an aggravating lot for sure. I didn't respond with a counter offer yet

    I have the extra backhoe and skid steer(at a low seasonal cost to rent), but wheel loader I do not

    Hes really trying to sell me "on a low snowfall season"

    If its any consolation, I passed on a 3.3 acre Weis market for a $16,000 seasonal, partially because it was too far away
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2014
  11. ponyboy

    ponyboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,104

    We all know some one will take it at that price
    Sounds like you have a Good name and rep
    Stick to the people who are willing to pay for it not just hire you and drop you next year when some will do it for less
    I only sign 3-5 year contracts maybe if you can get him up some and sign a long term contract maybe then you could consider it
    If you do put limits on salt and snow per push so worst case you can break even but not loose
  12. lilweeds

    lilweeds PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,178

    That's not bad. I was offered a Weis at a similar size for $18k. I just laughed and said good luck.
  13. leigh

    leigh 2000 Club Member
    from CT
    Messages: 2,342

    2000.00 per plow? divide that between shovelers,loaders, skids plow trucks,sounds like a big time loser or a break even deal to me ! Plus ,whats the tolerance? May have to camp out on this one job and plow it a couple times.This business is getting really silly:dizzy: This is a loader job,trucks alone worthless.I made that on a 3 acre site here in ct last year and I'm not getting rich by any means.
  14. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,256

    2" snowfall, 11.5 acres, even with the islands, I think I could get it done in 7-8 hours, with a properly outfitted truck.

    Some of y'all that see "acres" immediately think it takes loaders hours and hours are ridiculous. If you use the industry average of 1 acre\hour\truck and 8' plow, this is a 12 hour lot. Loaders are far more efficient. So that time should be going down drastically.

    An hour of setup with a truck or skid steer. 3 hours with a loader, tops. Have no idea on shoveling and would have to see the lot when it's busy to determine the amount of salt.
  15. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,247

    Mark I agree, we do the Meijers store here in Lapeer its about 13.5 acres of parking lot plus the gas station and roadways. I can do it with a 14ft box and a pick up in 4 to 5 hrs depending on the snow depth. I sometimes stay a little longer to clean up parking spots from shift change or the truck docks from trucks that have moved. I thought for the amount of snow and number of pushes it wasn't bad. Someone will take it for that.
  16. Ne1

    Ne1 Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    I would have passed also but in reality here in the midwest market it probably would have gone even cheaper.
  17. WIPensFan

    WIPensFan PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,594

    I'm with Leigh on this. I don't understand how you could plow that for $2000 on a 2" snowfall. **And actually make money**

    I know someone will do it for $25,000 but damn, that's a lot of work for that money.
  18. PrecisionS&I

    PrecisionS&I Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 75

    That would be in the 28k-32 range here if we got your snow fall totals.
  19. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,870

  20. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    crapshoot . low to me , whoever had it last year got crushed between the 5-7th event at that price . they spent more than half that in material and fuel. T&M it if at all possible.