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24 acres of land to plow and salt

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by SnowGeekJason, Sep 10, 2016.

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  1. SnowGeekJason

    SnowGeekJason Junior Member
    from 48025
    Messages: 26

    Hello all! As the 2016-2017 winter season is approaching I have been blessed with a opportunity to bid a UPS shipping and receiving distribution center. The area is 24 acres of plow-able land all of it needs to be salted as well. Correct me if i am wrong but i figure a CAT 924 along with a 16 foot box plow, two pickup trucks with 8'2 v blades can plow and salt this within 5 hours. The area is nothing but asphalt for most of it. Maybe a light pole every 500 feet. site manager already understands that there will be a retainer fee just to keep the CAT 924 on the property at all times. He was the one that actually told me to show that serperate. I am able to get my salt for $49/ton delivered on site and stored in the SILO that they provide just for us. My questions is what do you think is a fair price? My math is this.

    Machine $26,000 for five months
    Insurance up charge $4,000 (to cover machine and owner wants 2 million dollar blanket policy)
    Fuel $2,000
    Salt $8,250
    New blades for plow $500.

    Estimated 30 salting trips and 17 plowing trips.


    Based off of the 1,022,400 square feet of land to be plowed i thought $143,000 is a good number for me to give to the customer for a plan that has a no snow cap nor a salt cap unless the price of salt raises over 50% of what it is currently. the $143,000 would be good NOV 15- April 15.

    If customer wants per push price this is what i think.

    $2,400 for any amount up to four inches of snow, after that it is $800 per four inches.

    salting is $750/ application.

    A upfront retainer fee of $20,000 and than four $5,000 payments for each month thereafter.

    FYI there is only 100 feet of sidewalk to deal with.

    Anyone wanna chime in?
    good or bad pricing?
     
  2. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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  3. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    Couple of questions to start...


    How much salt per app are you basing your estamate...??

    Is there an hour limit on the rental machine...??

    $500 for "New" Blades??

    What has been the largest account to date you have maintained.???

    What part of the country are you located..??
     
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  4. SnowGeekJason

    SnowGeekJason Junior Member
    from 48025
    Messages: 26

    Located right out of Detroit Michigan. I figure 5 tons of salt needed for 24 acres. Blades for the plow. I figure i''ll go through a set or close to a set with this much plowing. kinda just through that in there for sh*ts and giggles.
    Largest account has been for a church that had 11 acres of plowing to be done. We were able to get by with one truck and a skid steer with that and about two tons of salt per application.
     
  5. FredG

    FredG PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,387

    Wow, I sure hope that salt price don't change, That's a very low price for salt.
     
  6. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    Gonna take a wee bit more than 5 tons for 24 acres to get the desired results I bet they are looking for...
     
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  7. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    Since it's in the Detoilet Market...I bet that account goes for under a $100k all inclusive
     
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  8. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,910

    What are you planning on salting it with?

    In my opinion, 24 acres of wide open asphalt with nothing but light poles calls for a bigger machine than a 924, and a larger box than 16 feet. And I don't think trucks have any need at all to be around this.
     
  9. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    Correct me if I'm wrong Mr.DeereGreen...On a Snow lease on a machine..There is a pretty big price jump from a 924 to a 936...Then an even larger increase to a 950..I bet that's what he is looking at....

    I think all you need in this Lot is Oomkes with his Cummings Ebling and Blizzard-Ex plow
     
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  10. kimber750

    kimber750 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,676

    I know the guys that do our local UPS terminal here. Don't know the size but they use 2 loaders, a backhoe and 3 trucks. In our one big storm last season they billed over $100k.
     
  11. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,910

    No idea, we own all our snow equipment. If that's the case for real, then maybe 2 would be a better solution. I just don't see that one machine keeping up well.

    Maybe he should just buy a couple 4' The Snow Plow shovels and get Jose and Guadalupe to run them. That'd be better than the Cummings powered plowin' machine!
     
  12. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    Lol...How dare you down grade The King of Snow Oomkes Skills....If he plows half as well as he trolls....He should be King Plow....:drinkup:
     
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  13. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    To the OP...I would subcontract the loader...Pay him a $2000 a month retainer..He works off that...That way the fuel and operator are his responsibility....Even if we have an "Epic" winter your loader costs will come nowhere near the $26 grand your gonna pay Michigan Cat...Also you might wanna take a look at you salt usage for that site
     
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  14. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,238

    How did you come up with 5 tons?

    How did you come up with 15 hours of plowing time?

    How many loading docks?

    Maybe a light pole every 500'? Does that mean that maybe there aren't?
     
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  15. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,238

    Hello, I work in South East Michigan Metro Detroit area and i have an amazing opportunity to Clear 2 huge apartment towers parking lots and sidewalks. Only problem it I do not have the capitol to go a month or so without being paid and for the estimated 8 tons of salt needed per clearing. plus needing another truck to handle the other 5 commercial and 30 residential contracts i have. (Billing at end of month) If the price per clearing is about $8,000 and the trigger is 1in for salt and 2in for plowing is it a bad idea to ask for a down payment of $40,000 or so? Average events range from 10-15 throughout the year .

    Things that make you say "hmmmmmmm".
     
  16. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    Someone has some explaining to do...:hammerhead:
     
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  17. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 2000 Club Member
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    Did you get the two huge apartment towers from last year???...I'm probably gonna get in trouble from mr.MJD for saying this...You have no business bidding on this account.Your clearly still not ready to play in the big boy sandbox...Stick to Dollar General and Fast Food chains...The pricing has been so beating up in the Detroit Metro market by clueless Contractors
     
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  18. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,247

    I remember that post, I wonder what ever happened with that job.
     
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  19. Masssnowfighter

    Masssnowfighter Senior Member
    from ma
    Messages: 222

    24 acres with only 1 loader on site and you will be in huge trouble if you ever get a big storm or if that loader was to have any sort of breakdown. Pick up trucks are pretty useless at distribution centers. So I would eliminate them and add at least 1 more loader with a 16' pusher. We run 3 loaders at our 25 acre site.
     
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  20. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,910

    Well this just got interesting.
     
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