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With gas prices as high as they are...

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself to the Community' started by oatka, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. oatka

    oatka Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    ok, let me first state that I do not plow....yet. Someday I hope to get into the business but the lack of start up capital to buy the equipment is definitly slowing me down. I don't think my Ford Escort Wagon could push much snow.....but I've done a lot of thinking about the business. I've got an idea now on how to potentially save money in gas by mapping the route and finding if there is a shorter way to get it done (Euler's path, if you are familiar with crazy math stuff). With this in mind I was wondering if anyone would be interested in me trying it with their route. What I would need is a list of addresses (addresses that can be found using internet mapping software, any major cities should work.) in the order in which you currently drive the route. Also I need your starting and ending location. What I will do is map that route and get a total distance for the route, then I will use mapping software that I have to see if there is a shorter route that still gets the job done.

    I hope this all makes sense. I'm sure many of you have great paths already planned out but I'm hoping that this might be a great way for everyone to limit the driving and therefore save money on gas and save wear and tear on your equipment.

    If you are interested please send me your list in order including the start and ending locations. As a precaution for the customer please do not include any personal information (I just don't need to know who lives there, I just need an ordered list of addresses).

    Thanks to anyone who's willing to give this a try with me.

  2. Vaughn Schultz

    Vaughn Schultz PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,565

    Maybe we should just try this with out of state people. A lot of folks would not want to give you a list of all there accounts :( Could be a very good way to have your route under cut and taken.

    By no means am I saying you would do this but some people would. You have 3 posts and you are asking for a list of someones accounts :eek:

    Pretty bold, I do admire that :D

    Is there any way we could do this "make believe" ? maybe give it a trial run with some random accounts?

    Last edited: Sep 21, 2005
  3. oatka

    oatka Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    Grassbuster, you makes some very good points. It's not my intent to undercut anyone with my Ford Escort, but you and anyone else can only believe me as much as you want. I have thought about a "test" route or something like that but it would be the best route right off the bat. I basically need some established route to put to my test. If I made up the sites I'd also make up the route and therefore it wouldn't be a good test. I'm open to anyone out of state, I live in New York if that helps anyone. I realize it might be bold of me to ask for this, but I figured I'd give it a try. Maybe someone could change the street address by adding 10 to each location and then that would be close enough for the test, but far enough to make them feel safe from me and my lack of plowing equipment.

    Thanks for the input.

  4. SnowGuy73

    SnowGuy73 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 24,868

    Hmmmmm.. :confused:
  5. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,644

    missing factor

    unfortunately your idea has one little flaw, and this comes from not having plow experience. Some times in your route just because of where you push the pile to, you'll end up facing the wrong direction for the next closest drive. And since backing up and turning around is a major pita in my truck, i'll go to a different drive and loop around back to get the missed drive.... Sounds confusing I know, but I would use mapquest to point out the driveways, then make my route book according to what I thought would be the right sequence. Inevitably though after seeing what direction I would be facing after pushing the pile it would turn out that the sequence needed to be tweaked. Once I had the right order of driveways set-up, it didn't change. It just take a test run to get it right.
  6. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,644

    I'll bite

    Here is a list of Driveways I used to sub, I put them in random order, so go at it.

    132 Rodgers Parkway
    135 Paxton
    150 Long Acre
    160 Maplehurst
    201 Totem Trail
    238 Seymour
    2500 St. Paul BLVD
    2627 St. Paul BLVD
    269 Barry
    27 Northfield
    2951 St. Paul BLVD
    333 Brandon
    38 Eastgate
    40 Rosemont Cir
    44 Eastgate
    460 Waring
    60 Simpson
    76 Armstrong Ave

    Your starting point is 460 Waring Rd, and the zip codes are 14617

    Good luck.
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2005
  7. lumps

    lumps Senior Member
    Messages: 365

    it is a good point, and yes, i'm familiar with euler's path. and with how randomly scattered accounts can be, you could be doing extra driving and not realize it. with mine, it varies depending on what i'm doing after plowing. if i'm just going out plowing, i'll make a loop. if i'm headed to school right after, i'll zig zag a bit, working my way toward school (since some accounts are right near campus). but, anyway, it's a good idea. good luck with it!
  8. THREE W

    THREE W Senior Member
    Messages: 122

    One of the other important things you are missing, is that you do not only plow by which accounts are closest to each other, if you do commercial it is usually based upon what time the business must be completed by for opening or when they have the least traffic.

    I agree that this would be the ideal situation, I do try to group them as much as possible, for example I have a daycare that opens, and must be done before 5:00 am, right next door is a bowling alley that opens at 12:00 noon, which is my latest opening so I usually come back and do it last!
  9. fulltiltwill

    fulltiltwill Senior Member
    Messages: 204

    I know I'm always lookin for a way to save money but Three W is right. I have alot of commercial lots. There is no way I could drive the shortest distance and make all their opening times. Not to mention going back to the garage to load up more salt. :(
  10. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,644

    Hey were is the list? I'm curious to see how you did, than I'll post what order I actually plowed them in.