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Wheel loaders?

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment' started by ryde307, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. ryde307

    ryde307 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,143

    So this is going to be very open ended but we have been a sub for large companies for a few years now. Our summer business has grown to a larger size and winter is well on its way. So I am somewhat in the market for a wheel loader next year.

    My question is what to look for? What are you guys running that don't do large excavation in the summer? So in other words dont have alot of summer work for a loader? What size,year,blade,bucket, pusher? When looking for a used one what should I look for and what should I stay away from? Thanks for any answers.
     
  2. NEUSWEDE

    NEUSWEDE Senior Member
    Messages: 949

    Why buy a used one when it will probably be less money and more beneficial to lease for the winter. Since you dont have much summer work why not just lease in the winter. If you lease from dealer your pretty much get a new machine every year. There is usually a limit on the hours you can put on it but it isn't really restrictive. Also then if it breaks down your covered they will drop you another one and fix it for you. If you buy one and it breaks down your kinda screwed. Just a thought for you.
     
  3. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    lease is a good option, otherwise, you may want to start looking into finding work for the summer for it, we just got our first piece of heavy equipment, in the form of a 910Cat, we bought a used machine, but it had a rebuilt tranny and engine (only 1000hrs on it). We also made arrangements with one of your contracts to do some work during the summer with it, it isn't a lot, but well probably be enough to make the payments on the machine. keep in mind what you are going to do with that loader for winter work, isn't going to put it to its full potential at all, IMO, so if you do regular maintenance on it, you should get many years out of a used machine
     
  4. ryde307

    ryde307 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,143

    I agree on the winter being fairly easy work so should last a while. I dont need anything realy new by any means just clean but we have capabilities to respray it. As for summer work we have a farm/shop that there is some work for it. More or less use not work since its all personal usage. Is there people that lease or rent use in the summer or places I could look to send one to work? I saw a thread about a guy sending his loaders to a mine for the winter. I guess I am wondering is there situations like that for summer work?

    As to leasing it is an option we are looking heavy into. That is what alot have said so I ill continue to always keep that option in there as we may need more equipment than we could afford anyways.
     
  5. ryde307

    ryde307 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,143

    I am also wondering about regulations for driving equipment on public roads. Alot of our accounts are within 3-5 miles of our shop I am wondering about driving equipment on streets. What are the regulations. I assume is differnt in every city/State and so on, but curious what you do for moving it around.
     
  6. sidthss

    sidthss Senior Member
    from GR MI
    Messages: 182

    Our bobcats get run on the street from account to account and we havent had a problem yet, but I am not 100% on what the law is around here, some states are very strict about it.
     
  7. NorthernSvc's

    NorthernSvc's Senior Member
    Messages: 766

    hours dont kill machines years do.... if your not going to use it all the time - lease it!!! a lot less headaches in the long run....
     
  8. blowerman

    blowerman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,261

    Not that I mind renting machines for winter, but the numbers hardly work with what most accounts pay now days. There is a lot of good used iron on the market right now. You could easily find something in the 30-50K range that should work. If you winter rent at $10K for the season, in only 3 or 4 years you'd be ahead of the game owning.
    As for myself, I spent in the range of $100K on a tractor blower combination that sits for most of the summer. If you can justify it, buy it. You might put less hours on a machine in winter, but they rust ot death faster than they wear out.
     
  9. rob_cook2001

    rob_cook2001 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,181

    I disagree, I would much rather have a 15yo machine with 3000 hours than a 5 year old machine with 6000 hours. Now if they are not taken care of and are located in the rust belt I can understand your point but as a rule I believe it's the hours "use" that kills the machine.
    Just my 2 cents
    Robert
     
  10. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    if you keep your eye open for that great deal, you well find it, i watched all year, looking for a deal on a good used loader, found a 1978 CAT 910, 1000 on a rebuilt engine and tranny, older machine but in great shape, paid, $15 000 for it, greatest investment ever!!!
     
  11. ryde307

    ryde307 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,143

    Thanks for the info. We are really more in the buy vs rent market. I do understand the rental arguement but for 3-4k a month rental with hr restrictions and sush I could buy a 40-50k loader and payments would be similair and work it alot. We have access to alot of extra winter work for one just nothing really in the summer.

    As for running equipment on roads. Thats my other question. We run bobcats all over I am more asking about larger stuff large tractors and loaders.

    Instead of starting another thread I will also ask about tractors. Similair to the loader question what are you using price size blower? blade? box plow so on. Just lookign to start some discussion on larger equipment yes and no's
     
  12. DGODGR

    DGODGR Senior Member
    from s/w co
    Messages: 639

    Are you talking about a 40-50k pound or dollar loader? If you meant $40k to $50k loader than you will probably pay about $1500/mo in payments. A 3 yard loader (+/- 30k#) will push a very large pusher. It will road better than your skid steers (better ride & higher speeds). Width should not be a problem until you get much larger.
     
  13. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    seek out JD Dave, or Neige, either one can answer your questions easily
     
  14. ryde307

    ryde307 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,143

    yes I meant $40,000-50,000 not lbs. I know that a payment I look at it
    1500*12 months= 18000 a year to own or
    3500*4months= 14000 a year to rent

    I would rather own. I understand if something breaks those numbers are garbage and a $45,000 loader is no wher close to as nice as a newer rental. But I am not living in it its for work. SO for us personally I would rather buy our first and then rent if we need more.

    I am looking for something around a Cat 938 size around 35,000lbs.

    I am not in a hurry to buy so I have plety of time to shop and find a good deal. We also spend alot of time at auctions buying and selling equipment.
     
  15. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    check out in the equipment sale thread, someone has a posting, "anyone need a cheap monster", if it were me, i would buy a beast like that, then drop 20 000 into repairs/maintenance on it, get the engine, tranny checked out, full service of everything, new pins, etc, then for 30 000 - 35 000 you would have a new like machine, (hell you could probably get it painted)
     
  16. redman6565

    redman6565 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,411

    tractors are fairly handy to use when plowing and can generally be purchased at half the price of a used loader because there is less of a market for them, or so i've experienced. we run a 16' pusher on ours, it can handle more, but it would be tough cleaning isles with anything larger than 16 feet.

    as for road usage, i know if ny they make you license all road vehicles and we are subject to DOT check points, but thats ny. i would check with your local dmv though.

    loaders, don't rent, buy if you can. by the time you invest year after year you could own a machine out right. as far as summer work, you can call local construction companies and see if they would be interested in renting yours instead of a rental outfit.
     
  17. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    forgot to mention redman6565 about tractors, sorry
     
  18. redman6565

    redman6565 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,411

    thats ok, JD and Neige are still the experts :waving:
     
  19. TRKling

    TRKling Member
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  20. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    and i realize that you are looking for a certain size, i can only speak about my experience, BUT, with my 910 cat, i am pushing a 10ft snow push, with really large sides, now with my 910, and assisted by a skidsteer, we go through a very large industrial facility, approximately 8-10acres, 2 commercial parking lots, 1/2-1 acre, and a casino that is 4-5 acres, all before morning, i guess what i am saying is that even a smaller machine 1.5 yard bucket machine is going to be extremely productive in the right circumstances.

    Also consider this older machines are basically done their depreciative value, my $15 000 machine is still going to be worth $15 000 in 5 years, assuming i take good care of it of course!