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Whats your opinion?

Discussion in 'Ford Trucks' started by mxjake387, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. mxjake387

    mxjake387 Junior Member
    Messages: 26

    Hey everyone, long time reader dont post too often though.
    Heres my situation that i need some opinions on. I have a 2001 f350 regular cab with 5.4. Cloth interior power windows/locks. Its in awesome condition inside and out with 79k.

    I was looking around at a dealership and noticed the guy had a 2003 f250 with a 6.0. Its ext cab with leather, power windows locks seats. its got 78k the interior has some wear on the seats arm rest and steering wheel. outside its got some dents and scratchs nothing that cant be fixed though

    Hes asking 15.5 i made an offer of my truck and 4k, he said my truck and 6k. What does everything think would be a fair deal and if i should give my truck up for a 6.0?
  2. tjctransport

    tjctransport PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,390

    run away from that 6 leaker as fast as you can.
  3. ultimate plow

    ultimate plow PlowSite.com Addict
    from N. IL
    Messages: 1,761

    First, id say you would be wronge to assume its junk. Thats just following what someone else says. 03 and 04s were not the best years we'll say. Theres things to check over when looking for a used 6.0 with miles. It would be wise to bring some sort of monitor to explore whats going on underneith the hood. Oil temps and coolant temps should not be no more than 15 degrees apart. That will indicate lots of things. Under normal conditions oil should be 190-196 while coolant should be 190-194. I know people with 03 that had terrible terrible luck and some that have over 150K with zero problems. Also, if the truck checks out clean, then you could do things yourself like delete the egr, flush the coolant system and replace with cat-1 coolant, coolant filter and you would have a newer better version 7.3
  4. 91AK250

    91AK250 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,641

    keep the 5.4 IMO
  5. kevlars

    kevlars Senior Member
    Messages: 407

    I don't know about being a newer, better version of the 7.3!!?? That sounds like a stretch to me. But, I do agree that there are things that can be done to the 6.0 to make it more reliable.

  6. swtiih

    swtiih PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,179

    I'd keep the truck you have.
  7. Glenn Lawn Care

    Glenn Lawn Care Senior Member
    Messages: 552

    6.0L are very nice trucks.... Ask the guy what he fixed under warranty because diesels aren't cheap to fix!
  8. Tony350

    Tony350 Senior Member
    Messages: 546

    I love owning a diesel I actually own a 6.0 diesel and have had great luck with it. However I have owned it since new and take care of it. The first thing is do you really need a diesel? If your 5.4 is getting the job done why upgrade. Might as well do something else with the four grand. Plus if you keep your truck at least you know what you have in your truck. As far as knowing what has been done and what it needs. Buying a used one you are kinda in the dark. However if you feel you need a diesel now I wouldn't be afraid of a 6.0.

    If you are looking I would shop around and see what the used market has that is the best way to check prices in your area. If you can afford an 05 or newer there are a few extra features as well. Good luck let us know what you decide.
  9. Too Stroked

    Too Stroked Senior Member
    Messages: 548

    I work for a company with a fleet of 10 F-350's ranging from a 1996 to a 2010. So we have everything from 7.3's, to 6.0's to one 6.4. Of the three 6.0's we have, the 2003 is an absolute nightmare. 2003 was the hands down worst year for that motor and you're seriously taking your life (and wallet) in your hands to buy one. I'd walk away - quickly. Sure, everything can be fixed - but do you want to spend the time and money?
  10. mxjake387

    mxjake387 Junior Member
    Messages: 26

    Thanks guys! Im going to the dealership tomorrow to talk to they guy and see how much lower he'll go, and get some more information. Ill keep you updated!
  11. erkoehler

    erkoehler PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,252

    An 03 w/ that low of mileage on a 6.0L would scare me, I'd personally be more comfortable if it had 100+.....then you know it has run!

    DIRISHMAN PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,249

    JMO for the money your tryin to save now will only be spent on repair down the line like fuel rail repair as well as lifters that faill in that year. So just like EKohler says Run and save the money heck for that price there is alot of V10 for better than that plus more power like the deisel but when it turns to 3 am and you need fuel gas is eveywhere unless you have a portable tank.Just somthing to think about if your lookin for more power... Good luckThumbs Up
  13. ultimate plow

    ultimate plow PlowSite.com Addict
    from N. IL
    Messages: 1,761

    Written from a diesel form

    Here is the deal with the 6.0. Any good tuner (person writing your tunes) is not going to give you a tune that is going to tear up your truck. There are trucks all over the place running 400-420 rwhp with 750-800 rwtq all day long without problems.

    Yes the 6.0 is known to blow head gaskets. This is why it happens. The Ford Gold coolant contains silicates. The silicates are not able to handle high EGT's generated by a good load or relatively high boost when they run through the EGR cooler. They break down into a gell like sludge and fall out of suspension. This crud gets caught up in the tiny coolant passageways of the oil cooler. As the cooler clogs up it restricts coolant flow to the egr cooler. Now the egr cooler doesn't have enough coolant to carry off the heat generated by high EGT's. The limited amount of coolant in the egr cooler flash boils causing high pressure in the cooling system and the truck pukes coolant from the degass bottle due to the pressure. (it has to go somewhere)
    Your uninformed Powerstroke owner is not monitoring his coolant temps and oil temps so he doesn't know whats going on and he keeps driving it this way. The problem gets worse, the pressure causes the egr cooler to rupture. Now the egr cooler is leaking coolant into the intake manifold which then runs into the cylinders. Again the high combustion temps cause the coolant to vaporize. This causes unacceptably high cylinder pressure, the TTY head bolts stretch due to the add'l pressure and there go your head gaskets.

    Ok now you know the problem. Here's the cure. Get a good engine monitoring solution like the Edge Insight so that you can monitor your ECT and EOT. If those temps get more than 15* apart with normal cruising when at normal operating temperature your oil cooler is clogging up. Rebuild it now to prevent all that down stream damage from occurring. Flush that Ford Gold coolant crap out of your engine with a couple bottles of Restore. This is made specifically to clean out that silicate residue. Now refill it with a silicate free Cat EC-1 rated ELC coolant. This removes the silicates that clog the oil cooler from the equation. If you live in an area where you don't have smog inspections delete the egr system. If you can't delete it replace the egr cooler with the cooler manufactured by Bulletproof Diesel. This is vastly superior to the Ford oem egr cooler and it will not fail on you. If you find that you need to replace head gaskets replace the TTY head bolts with ARP studs and use black onyx (Victor Reinz) head gaskets. If you have to replace the egr cooler always replace the oil cooler. That is the source of the problem.

    Now that you have addressed the common problems that scare the he11 out of people, get an SCT tuner (i like the X3) and install some custom tunes and drive the heck out of it. DO NOT baby it. The Powerstroke hates this and will rebel with turbo issues.

    Turbo issues are also common repair points with the 6.0. People like to complain that it's because the VGT turbos are pieces of junk. This is not so. The VGT vanes in the turbo need to be exercised regularly. This means making them go through their full range of motion. So put your foot in it regularly and let it see some full boost runs. That will keep your VGT vanes from getting all sooted up and freezing up because of the soot. Again, that is what happens when you baby it. Put your foot in it and you will have less problems. Lay out of it and try to milk it for mileage like you would a gasser and you're going to have turbo issues. Don't let it sit either. That is also the kiss of death to the turbo. The unison ring rusts up and again you have turbo problems. So now that you know you need to give your turbo a regular work out to keep it happy, give it a proper cool down as well. Just whipping into your parking place and shutting it down will lead to coking the bearings and again major turbo issues. Running a good synthetic oil will help here immensely because it handles heat so much better and resists coking. But always let your turbo have time to cool down. This is one of the reasons you need a Pyrometer (EGT gauge). Let the EGT come down to 350* before shutting your truck off. This only takes a couple of minutes, especially if you take it easy on it for the last couple minutes of your trip. If this is too much hassle for you get a turbo timer that will automatically delay shutdown when you turn off the key to allow the turbo to cool down.

    Injectors. Ford's HEUI injection system fires the injectors with High Pressure Oil, to the tune of 4,000psi at Wide Open Throttle. Maintenance is critical here so you can not let your oil maintenance slide like you can on a gasser. It will kill your injectors. The injectors also are known to suffer from something that we call stiction. That is when the oil side plunger of the injector hangs up or sticks when cold until the truck warms up. I believe this is caused by varnish buildup that is common to dino oils, especially those containing paraffin. Using a good synthetic oil will take care of that because it actually cleans the engine as it lubricates. If you do find yourself with some injector stiction add a couple of bottles of Rev-X to your oil. It has cleared up 99.9% of the trucks it has been used on. 2 bottles run around $70. A new injector is about $250-$290. Be anal about keeping your oil clean and fresh and changing your fuel filters regularly. The other thing that kills injectors is low fuel pressure. The fuel pressure needs to stay above 45psi at all times and is typically set around 52 psi from the factory. Well the factory fuel pressure regulator spring is weak and looses it's tension over time and can't maintain adequate fuel pressure. There is an updated rebuild kit that uses a better, stronger spring. Installing this spring will bring your fuel pressure up to about 62 psi and solve that. Get a fuel pressure gauge. It's important.

    So that covers the frequent complaints with the 6.0. They are all well known at this point as are the solutions. Does it suck we have to fix Ford's blunders? Heck yes it does. But again we know how and once done you will have a very reliable robust truck that is well worth the effort. So address the issues as you can and enjoy your truck. It is a dynamite vehicle. I love mine.
  14. BPS#1

    BPS#1 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,395

    Yeah theres no way thats the case. The two are not in the same ball park even.

    As for the OP and whether or not to buy a 6.0. Theres no way I'm doing that.
    I know far too many folks that have had real bad luck with them, and not nearly enough guys that have had good luck with them.
  15. ultimate plow

    ultimate plow PlowSite.com Addict
    from N. IL
    Messages: 1,761

    Troll ....
  16. DieselLover

    DieselLover Junior Member
    Messages: 10

    keep the 5.4 have plowed with both the 6.0 and the 5.4 5.4 works just as well 6.0 are junk
  17. BPS#1

    BPS#1 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,395

    So because I disagree with your OPINION on an engine model that makes me a troll?

    What a crock of poo.
  18. Sno What

    Sno What Member
    from CT
    Messages: 76

    I have / had 2 , 2005 6.0 L trucks and haven't had any issues. I had a F350 and still have an Ex. I traded the 6.0 L in on a 5.4 L. It had plenty of power to push snow around, but wouldn't hold 65 MPH on the highway without matting it. Plus I was getting 7 MPG plowing, opposed to 14 MPG with the 6.0L.
  19. ultimate plow

    ultimate plow PlowSite.com Addict
    from N. IL
    Messages: 1,761

    5.4 is gutless!!
  20. mjstef

    mjstef Senior Member
    Messages: 273

    So you like your 6.0 chit eh? Your one of the few. My July build 03 had $12,800 in warranty work in 136,000 miles and the OASIS report was near 20 pages long. Mine almost killed me and my family more than once and i was actually interviewed by Reuters about it. After this Ford gave me an extended warranty to 150,000 miles. You could not pull out onto a busy highway without taking the chance of getting hit in the arse. It ran for chit until it got to about 1600 RPM which would be fine for an Automatic as an auto is ALWAYS revving, but mine was a 6 speed as i cannot stand an auto shifting up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down all day when i am towing which is what my truck did 90% of the time. The block and heads where without issue but i had 5 EGR valves, 2 EGR Coolers, 1 HPOP, 1 Turbo Actuator, and 2 sets of injectors which where on the way out again when it went to the Denver Auto Auction as well as NUMEROUS reflashes. Before you say it was a dealer issue it was to 4 different dealers in Florida where i was working, 2 different dealers in Wisconsin and 2 dealers in Montana. Ask ANY Ford tech if they would own one and the answer would not only be no but HELL NO!! I am personal friends with the 1st powerstroke certified tech at a Ford dealer in Montana and he owns 2 - 7.3's, 1 beater and one for road trips. He was the one that suggested i get rid of my 6-leaker while i could. Both Cummins conversion places, i here in Kalispell and 1 in Great Falls are booked out months replacing 6 leakers with 24V Cummins motors. Yeah you can spend $1500 to $2000 and MAYBE get a few more miles out of your 6.0chit but in the end you still have a piece of chit that won't pass emissions in states that require testing.

    Oh and by the way, i have owned 4 7.3's and NEVER had any major issues out of any of them. 1 had nearly 300,000 miles when it went down the road.
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2011