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What would your bid be?

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Snow Captain, Nov 8, 2008.

  1. Snow Captain

    Snow Captain Junior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 29

    3 year contract, 4 parking lots (no sidewalks), annual lump sum bid for each year.

    Lot A- 6,500 sq. feet
    Lot B- 17,500 sq. feet
    Lot C- 28.800 sq. feet
    Lot D- 58,000 sq. feet

    Specs:
    --2" minimum (use own judgement on 1 1/2" snow falls)

    --West Central Minnesota

    --Payloaders (John Deere 644's) to do the work
     
  2. plowtime1

    plowtime1 Senior Member
    Messages: 446

    Are we talking pavement sqft. any obstacles etc., does the snow need to be stacked elsewhere considering the small sized lots? are you using snow pushers? you mention "payloaders" how many?

    ap
     
  3. Snow Captain

    Snow Captain Junior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 29

    Lot A, B.& D are paved. Lot C is gravel. Nothing major for obstacles. No special provisions for piling the snow also. At this time it would be 2 payloaders with buckets (an 8' & a 10 1/2'). Looking into getting a pusher though..
     
  4. salopez

    salopez Senior Member
    Messages: 873

    YOu are going to use to 3 yard loaders for a total of 2.5 acres of lot? thats 30 minutes worth of work for one with a pusher, if you can fit it into the smallest lot.

    I would just use a truck or ss on these lots, maybe 2....maybe your square footage is off..or maybe mines is....
     
  5. Snow Captain

    Snow Captain Junior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 29

    the square footage is right....Maybe I'm not considering some of the obstacles. 1 lot has a center median going right down the middle of the lot.

    I'm just trying to figure out an average # of pushes to consider since its lump sum for 3 years. I'm thinking about 25 pushes a year here in west central MN
     
  6. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874

    $8500 per year @25 visits with out seeing the lots
     
  7. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    $6250 and make sure you have a clause about fuel pricing since who know what gas will cost next yer or the third year
     
  8. Snow Captain

    Snow Captain Junior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 29

    that's over 2 grand difference. Any other opinions? thanks
     
  9. salopez

    salopez Senior Member
    Messages: 873

    10337.50.....
     
  10. Snow Captain

    Snow Captain Junior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 29

    salopez: why the jump? just curious here...are you serious?
     
  11. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874

    HAHA at the least i can explain mine. i cant explain L&L's though. i think he just wanted to underbid me :D

    with one truck which is how i bid eveything, based on what one truck can do

    110800sqft total
    =about 2.5 acres
    1 acre per hour
    @$135 per hr
    =$337.5
    $337.5x25visits=$8437.5
    add some buffer and you get $8500
     
  12. jayman3

    jayman3 Senior Member
    Messages: 372

    I came up with 8310 so I would round it up to 8500 then add 5% for each addational year.Good luck.
     
  13. plowtime1

    plowtime1 Senior Member
    Messages: 446

    OK,
    if your using one loader 2 hrs min.175 phr x 25; thats where id be.
    Although you will find many others with no overhead could charge 6k if they want.
    every region has different rates but personally..i wouldn't touch it unless I got my rate; why would you get into business in the first place, unless you have nothing else for the machines JMO
     
  14. Snow Captain

    Snow Captain Junior Member
    from MN
    Messages: 29

    There's a "sweat-pant wearing" guy here in town who will bid it cheaper than we will...Will let you know what he bids it at...thanks for all the insight on this as I've never bid "lump sum" that far out before (3 years)
     
  15. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    Well i was cheaper so i get the job !!!!!!!!!!


    110800sqft total
    =about 2.5 acres
    1 acre per hour
    @$100.00 per hr
    =$250.00
    $250x25visits=$6,250.00

    Its realy tuff to even get $100.00 per hour around here JMO
     
  16. MIDTOWNPC

    MIDTOWNPC PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,452

    Instead of this you may want to calculate and increase, but then make it the same price for all 3 years. You still get the same amount of money over the 3 years, but I have done it this way before and found that then they dont come back and say... we dont want to raise it 5% how about the same for all 3 years. It just makes less negotiating...

    Here are the times I get when I use my program

    PROJECT SUMMARY
    Total Sq. Ft Total Acres
    Roads/Lots 110800 2.54
    Walks/Drives 0 0


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    PLOWING TIME FOR A SINGLE TRUCK AT VARIOUS DEPTHS
    2"-4" 4"-6" 6"-8" 8"-12"
    8' Blade 3:52 4:50 5:47 6:45
    8' w/wings 3:41 4:40 5:37 6:09
    9' Blade 3:07 3:53 4:40 5:36
    9' w/wings 3:05 3:42 4:32 5:28
    10' Pushbox 1:29 1:60 2:13 2:49

    These numbers are at moderate speed... not wideopen peddle to the floor

    The number I would use is the BOLD.... so lets say 2 hours on Average....
    times whatever you are looking at getting for your loader per hour, with a 10fter. times your average falls in your area.... 25?

    Also what varibles do you know about your competition? eg if most guys charge $125 a hour then if you go the same but with a pusher you will outperform them.





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  17. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,874


    lol isnt that the truth. hopefully with the new dot laws being inforced that will help weed out the guys running an illegal operation.
     
  18. PLCI

    PLCI Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 31

    Price assuming the lots are next to each other & no shoveling: $8,970.00 plus $2,625.00 for follow up saltings.
     
  19. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    Ah Men :drinkup:
     
  20. snowandgo

    snowandgo Senior Member
    Messages: 143

    $6375 without salt for one year

    $6600 per year for three