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What would you do....

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by jrblawncare, Jun 17, 2000.

  1. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    Hi all, I have been around lawnsite for some time but not here..Now that I'am full time in the biz I will be adding snow removal to my list of services this fall..I live in KY and will maybe get 5 pushes a year.I own a 94 dodge 2500 w/360...It has 90,000 miles on it but is in great shape..most miles are highway.I have been thinking of going to a diesal because of gas prices and just to have a newer work and biz.truck.I own the dodge..no payments!!If I add a plow to it it may cost what ... about 2500.00? Will I kill this high mile dodge?If I add the plow to this truck will it fit a newer modle in a year or two? Not sure what to do...Buy new plow ready with diesal or work with what I own and hope that it holds together...Blue book on my dodge is about 10,500.00 THANKS for your help.<p>----------<br>John <br>
     
  2. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    If you can swing new payments and are going for commercial work and big$-then go get a newone.On the other hand if your truck is in good condition and you have kept it well maintained,and you are just starting out with residentials and dont want to bury yourself before you even have an account,you might want to use your current truck.I look for trucks like yours to buy for plow trucks,I swear the older ones(if kept well) are as reliable as new(so long as theyv'e never plowed before).I have a new truck and 2 older ones because no matter how hard you try,that new truck will take a beating when plowing,both mechanically and cosmetically.If its a good truck Id keep what you have,and a 3/4 Pu is the best compromise in plow trucks,and dodge trucks turn the tightest,a must for plowing.<p>----------<br>John D<br>
     
  3. BillNero

    BillNero Member
    Messages: 34

    Hi John,<p>I came across your question on buying a Snowplow for your 94 Dodge. The 94 to 2000 dodges use the same mounting kit so you have a wide range of years that the plow can transfer to.<p>Bill<br><p><font size="1">Edited by: administrator
     
  4. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    John and Bill thanks for the fast Replies!!Anyone else have any thoughts...is my cost about right at $2500.00..Thank again
     
  5. BillNero

    BillNero Member
    Messages: 34

    Hi John,<p>As far as new plow prices are concerned, they tend to vary from region to region as well as manufacturer to manufacturer. For example, a Western 7.5' Pro Plow here in Illinois sells for $2600.00 and yet I've heard from guys in Ny-NJ area paying $2900.00.<p>Hope this helps.<p>Bill Nero
     
  6. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    Bill sounds like I was close...My roots are in up-state NY,Rochster...I will be making a few trips that way before fall sets in..May shop up there or in Ohio..Not sure what I find here in KY, guess I should start looking around.<p>----------<br>John <br>
     
  7. snow

    snow PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 1,002

    To start off, with a budget of $2500 you might want to consider looking at unassembled plows or used plows. You can get used plow blades cheap, along with old fisher frames(they mount outside the bumper).Or check with plow parts companie to get the newer assemblies. Monarch hydraulic 4-way power packs go for around $500(i think). If you want to have a brush guard on the truck, fisher made the plow mate which is a brush guard that hooks onto the frame. Look in your paper for used plows. Maybe with the extra money you'll have if you choose to go that way, you could get a sander.<p>Bryan<p>----------<br><br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snowplow.web.com&quot;&gt;The Snowplow Homepage&lt;/a&gt;
     
  8. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    Bryan thanks for the info.I'am not really on a budget of $2500.00 that was just a guess at the cost to get me going...I'am thinking of going new because I would like to transfer it to a new truck in a year or two.I have also thought of a sander because we do get alot mixed weather here.Which do you feel is better for my truck..Western or Fisher? THANKS<p>----------<br>John <br>
     
  9. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    Do a search of past post. There will be arguments for the following brands.<p>Fisher<br>Western<br>Diamond<br>Meyer<br>Curtice<br>Snow Way.<p>Read the post and think about what type of a plow ya want. Then go from there.<p>I would go with Diamond or Fisher if it was me.<p>Geoff
     
  10. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Heres what I would do.<br>Keep your truck, worst case senario you buy a new sub frame and wireing harness when you transfer to the new truck in a few years.<br>If you buy new plow get a v plow. No discussion just get one.Alot of banter could on and on all day about what plow is better, but the bottom line is get a v plow.Doesnt matter what brand just get one. If you only have one plow make it a v.<br>If not look for a good used plow. Bargains should be good right now, or ask your local dealer if he has any 99 left overs. I am sure he would like to get rid of a plow sitting in the shop.<br>So keep the truck and get a plow for it. Then take the money you would be paying on a new truck and save between now and winter and find an older truck in decent shape with a plow already on it. Keep it for a back up.<br>Why? Its not a matter of if, but when a truck will go down, and a back up is a wonderfull thing.Even new trucks break down.<br>Another reason is this, if you get the 50yr storm, throw a friend or employee in the truck and make your life easier or rake in some gravy money.<br>Lastly join SIMA. They will help you set up your plowing business and run it like one.<br>If you have any other ? feel free to e mail me.<br>Dino<p>----------<br> Professional Ice and Snow Management <br>Products:Services:Equipment www.sima.org
     
  11. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    Guys you have been a great help so far,looks like I will put some $ into Big Green and keep her.Coming from up-state NY I have been around alot of snow but only pushed a few times with friends so I have alot to learn.Plowking 35...who is SIMA are they like ALCA is to the Green Industry but for plowing?<p>----------<br>John <br>
     
  12. BillNero

    BillNero Member
    Messages: 34

    John, Snowplows are like opinions - everybody has their own opinion of &quot;The Best Plow&quot;. There is no such thing. Believe me - after twenty years in the business - I've seen & worked on all of them.<p>I would think you have to consider what brands are sold locally - do they stock parts - do they stay open late - etc. <p>If service is not an issue with you - that is - if you are mechanical and like maintaining your own equipment - then you might want to search outside your local area for price.<p>I respectfully disagree with &quot;plowking35&quot; on the V-Plow. V Plows certianly are unique and can save time in many cases but that isn't always the best answer. Their initial cost is aproximately $1000.00 higher than a straight blade and the repair parts are a lot more expensive. It helps to be a mechanic also. &quot;Pro-Wings&quot; can effectively get close to the performance of a V Plow and sell for under $200.00. They also can be removed if need be in less than a minute.<p>Here is an interesting concept. The Hiniker Company just introduced a &quot;C&quot; plow. I've seen video of it and the concept is fascinating. The moldboard is hinged above the main thrust area of the moldboard (aprox 15&quot;) so the operator can power the top 2/3 of the balde forward making it a &quot;Back drag&quot; Plow. Time will tell how it holds up.<p>At any rate I could go on forever as I too value my opinion.<p>Good Luck with the plow purchase and remember always carry an extra hose & solenoid!<p>THINK SNOW!<p>Bill<br><p><font size="1">Edited by: administrator
     
  13. firedog

    firedog Member
    from midwest
    Messages: 59

    Hi Bill how's your summer going?.<p>Rob
     
  14. eggy

    eggy Member
    Messages: 71

    Five pushes in KY??? Im in southern Indiana and looking at getting in the snow buisness to go along with my lawn care and counted the snows the past to years over 2 eaches only 2 per year......
     
  15. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Yes SIMA is the Snow and Ice Management Association. www.sima.org<br>We just had our annual meting in Portland Maine, and education was the key. If we as contractors can educate ourselves And in turn the customer than we can raise the bar across the board and leave your competition in the dust.<br>Case in point, I have a meeting on 6-19-00 with a huge account regarding magic salt. When i first spoke to them, they mentioned a type of deicer that they are using. It is a very rare product that not many people know about, when he mentioned it, I knew exactly what it was and who made it. It made me look like a pro, I didnt put the product down, or bad talk it, it just showed that i knew what I was doing. <br>If it wasnt for SIMA I would not have a clue.<br>Also I am bidding some larger lots, that I may have been afaid to do in the past.<br>As far as v plows go, I can only speak from my experience. I have plowed with straight blades for 10 yrs, and the first time I used a v it saved me 20% time wise,now after a few years with them I can say that it saves 30-40% on every account that I do. If that isnt worth the extrs 500-1000$ than I dont know what is. I will never have a straight plow again.Like I said banter all you want, the v is the way to go. I know big outfits that have v plows on every truck and subs get 10-15 more per hour if they have v plows. It is a fact you will move more snow in less time with less spillage than with a staright plow, even if you have wings. And remember as soon as you put wings on a new plow you void the warranty.<br>Dino<p>----------<br> Professional Ice and Snow Management <br>Products:Services:Equipment www.sima.org
     
  16. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    Eggy..Its a guess...this year I counted three..folks here say the last two have been lite?<p>----------<br>John <br>
     
  17. BillNero

    BillNero Member
    Messages: 34

    OT: To Firedog - summer is going just fine - thanks for asking. <p>To Plowking35: Yes - I agree - education is a great thing! I wish more people got into their jobs as seriously as you seem to.<p>If I may ask, do you work for SIMA or just a member?<p>Bill<p><p>----------<br>THINK SNOW!<br>Bill
     
  18. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Well I personally think of myself as more than a memeber. However I am not on their payroll. Very few people are. It is still very much a grass roots effort. My company personally gets involved in recruiting efforts and manning trade shows for them.<br>I know Tammy the Exec Director pretty well, and have agreat relationship with her. I worked on the new video that was just released, and talk about SIMA any chance I get. Snow removal is worth billions every year, and to not have a trade orginization for such a long time was unreal. Now that we have one, I feel it is my and every plow contractor, maker , dealer, supplier and related industries to get on board.<br>There is alot of education in the public sector, but very little in the private sector. With out SIMA I would not have learned about items that I now think every body should use and know about.<br>By giving back to SIMA we have grown. The more you give, the more you get. So even tho I am just a member,I think we all can be alot more than that.<br>Dino <p>----------<br> Professional Ice and Snow Management <br>Products:Services:Equipment www.sima.org
     
  19. eggy

    eggy Member
    Messages: 71

    Yea I just cant see spending the cash here to get in it you almost need two plow trucks to do snow if your Dodge goes down what do you do??? I am not trying to get you scared but I just cant get any positive numbers .....
     
  20. BillNero

    BillNero Member
    Messages: 34

    Eggy, Your comments are well founded. I can't believe all the people I know taht don't carry any of the basic spare parts. Not eve a Hose or Solenoid. Several years ago when there was a plow shortage across the country, I had a conversation with a guy in early December that was panic strickin because he wanted me to mount a plow for him that day because of a threat of snow. His argument with me was that he had &quot;Contracts&quot; and needed a plow. I asked him when the contracts started. His November 1st answer blew me away. What an idiot and he considers himself a &quot;professional&quot; plower.<p>I too don't want to scare anyone away from the business. Is it not possible to have a back plower in case of a breakdown? Locally hear a lot of guys cover each other in times of need.<p>----------<br>THINK SNOW!<br>Bill