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what to do about this?

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by gkp, Jan 31, 2009.

  1. gkp

    gkp Member
    Messages: 42

    At what point (or size) do you go from charging per bag of salt to per ton?
     
  2. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    As soon as you go from bags to bulk
     
  3. gkp

    gkp Member
    Messages: 42

    Yeah I guess I deserve that............. lol
     
  4. JDiepstra

    JDiepstra PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,780

    LOL for real that was funny guys.
     
  5. lawnprolawns

    lawnprolawns Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    Haha..

    I'd say anything past 500-1000lbs or so, just to stay competitive in pricing. I wasn't planning on doing much salting this year and then got a contract that requires one ton, and all I can spread is bagged. So, I'm spreading 80lb bags for 10/bag.. which kind of sucks, but it's my loss that I dont have a v-box.

    Other jobs I'm getting upwards of 15/bag for bagged, requiring 4-5 bags.
     
  6. Rc2505

    Rc2505 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,245

    I have two hitch type salt spreaders. 1 has a very small capacity of about 250 pounds, the other has a capacity of 750 pounds. So my price break on salt to the customer happens at anything more than 1 hopper full of the big spreader. So at 800 pounds of salt or more I give the discount.
     
  7. carl b

    carl b PlowSite.com Addict
    from Ohio
    Messages: 1,330

    When you use more than 1000 pounds per outing . I'd change if you have a place to keep, load, buy for a better price.
     
  8. NICHOLS LANDSCA

    NICHOLS LANDSCA PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,314

    I go from bag -25 to bulk when we leave the sidewalk. Sometimes the walks get bulk too. I'd have to say whatever works for your application/applicator just keep in mind you will pay twice as much for bagged, but if you are only using a few bags per lot it might be easier to use bags.
     
  9. gkp

    gkp Member
    Messages: 42

    Here is my delima................... I bought 24 tons of bagged salt hoping to sell some soon. but now I have some larger lots then I had 2 months ago so I have a v box but I am loading it with bagged salt. If I have to drive 10 miles just to spread 100 pounds of salt I am not going to charge by the ton, I would go broke. So I am just trying to figure at what size would paying per bag become too expensive for the client and put me at a disadvantage due to over pricing.
     
  10. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    I would just charge a per application price
     
  11. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    x2....

    charge per application and you should use whatever is more cost effective for your business..........bottom line is the customer could care less weather you store your salt in a plastic bag or you store it in a pile, they care about $$$$$
     
  12. carl b

    carl b PlowSite.com Addict
    from Ohio
    Messages: 1,330

    x 3
    I've always charged this way . just so when the switch happens I'm the only one that cares .
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2009
  13. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

     
  14. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957


    LawnPro,
    You should be at atleast 30 cents a lb. for bagged salt. That's what we're getting here. This is regardless of the size of bag...50 or 80. The only difference will be is that you save a few bucks per to by lifting 80's as opposed to 50's. Myself, don't think it's worth the injury potential lifting wet 80# bags to save 20 bucks a ton. I can throw 50's all night..and you can even grip the bags by the top of the bag, but when it comes to the 80's, it is a wrestling event with each bag when they get the slightest bit wet, as you have to get up under them. Like a say, a lower back injury waiting to happen. Not so bad when the pallet is mostly full, but when the levels get down toward the lower tiers, then it's a different story.
     
  15. lawnprolawns

    lawnprolawns Senior Member
    Messages: 965

    I know that's what I should be getting.. unfortunately I just cant charge that much for this job, with it requiring one ton of salt. The going rate for 1 ton around here is 190-220 (ish), at .30/lb, that would put me at 600. Next year I'll have a nice Vbox or big liquid set-up..
     
  16. hickslawns

    hickslawns Senior Member
    Messages: 619

    I disagree with bag being twice the price this year. I couldn't get bulk any cheaper than bagged this year. I won't admit how many tons we have spread, but I can assure you, I wish I could get ahold of bulk cheaper than bagged right now. To answer your question, you need to figure how much you apply annually. Know your costs of additional equip to apply bulk. Know your costs and availability on both bagged and bulk. Make a decision. Good luck.
     
  17. Sno4U

    Sno4U Senior Member
    Messages: 480

    I too am stuck paying almost the same for bulk as bagged product. I could get bulk at the begginning of the season until my supplier cut me off. Now, its all bagged loaded w/ a forklift over the truck!
     
  18. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    not sure what you all are paying for bags but they would be higher here...bulk is 39.50 for fine and about $50 for rock salt, FOB...
     
  19. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Ya Ya Ya we know LOL
     
  20. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    it's not all glory, still gotta truck it 300 miles......my trucker on last nights deliver must have be smoking it, he said the mine is about empty and they are now 5 miles underground...